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  • Bad -- certainly unConstitutional

    1 7.14%
  • A tough break -- but possibly legal

    3 21.43%
  • An expected risk of a franchisee

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Isn't capitalism wonderful? Sorry, but the truth is, if you own a business, you take risks. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes not. Sometimes things happen beyond your control and you are screwed. The government is already doing as much or more than they can or should do. We cannot save every business.
    What bull**** apology. "We cannot save every business" ?

    Yah, mebbe we could outright steal a few less of them though ? ? ?

    I would burn it down before I let you steal it.

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    What bull**** apology. "We cannot save every business" ?

    Yah, mebbe we could outright steal a few less of them though ? ? ?

    I would burn it down before I let you steal it.
    What businesses have we stolen? We have bailed some out, and by doing so, taken a vested interest in them and their success, but that is hardly stealing them. The owners and executives had already tried to burn them down...

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What businesses have we stolen? We have bailed some out, and by doing so, taken a vested interest in them and their success, but that is hardly stealing them. The owners and executives had already tried to burn them down...
    You seem to be confused. Perhaps you should Read the Article.

    My name is George C. Joseph. I am the sole owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu, a family owned and operated business in Melbourne, Florida. My family bought and paid for this automobile franchise 35 years ago in 1974. I am the second generation to manage this business.

    We currently employ 50+ people and before the economic slowdown we employed over 70 local people. We are active in the community and the local chamber of commerce. We deal with several dozen local vendors on a day to day basis and many more during a month. All depend on our business for part of their livelihood. We are financially strong with great respect in the market place and community. We have strong local presence and stability.

    I work every day the store is open, nine to ten hours a day. I know most of our customers and all our employees. Sunshine Dodge is my life.

    On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them.
    To be fair, I think we are both Americans, and this is happening in Australia, so neither of us are technically a part of the "we" in question.
    Last edited by Voidwar; 05-22-09 at 01:44 PM.

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    You seem to be confused. Perhaps you should Read the Article.



    To be fair, I think we are both Americans, and this is happening in Australia, so neither of us are technically a part of the "we" in question.
    No where in there does it state that "we", that is the United States, stole his business. Chrysler may have, I do not have enough information to be sure. In fact, the letter and article are very lacking in any kind of comments on why it happened. Funny that.

    Oh, and this is in Florida.

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No where in there does it state that "we", that is the United States, stole his business. Chrysler may have, I do not have enough information to be sure. In fact, the letter and article are very lacking in any kind of comments on why it happened. Funny that.

    Oh, and this is in Florida.
    Well, after you read the article, it certainly isn't anything to defend or apologize for , is it ?

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Well, after you read the article, it certainly isn't anything to defend or apologize for , is it ?
    Not following, sorry. Could you restate that.

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    No. It is perfectly clear as written.

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Sure the government would.

    That's the net upshot of Kelo vs New London.

    If the government can steal your home, it can certainly steal your business.And you believe this without knowing the full story...the whole truth...when man is backed into a corner ,he will lie,cheat, steal, in order to survive...
    As the story unfolds, its obvious that the man is a liar...if not, then he is delusional...
    Kelo vs New London....is this another pile of manure from the conspiracy theorists ??
    Maybe I have too much faith in government, which is not so wise.

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    fyi Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No where in the letter that I see(I could have missed it, too lazy to go back and double check now) did it say that Chrysler was told that they had to shut his dealership down. The reason that this happened is Chrysler is doing poorly, which is not the governments fault. What the government has been doing, rightly or wrongly(and I am of divided mind on it) is trying to keep Chrysler alive.

    Let's play a quick game. What would have happened in presidents Bush and Obama had decided the auto industries where on their own. Would this guy have lost his dealership or not? Impossible to know for sure, but what is your guess. I would suspect not.
    It IS the government's fault, because in its bailout plan, it SEIZED the business and is now calling the shots.

    Yes, all of America would be a lot better off if the government had kept its nose out and let the free market work.


    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I guess I do not understand why the dealership was closed then. If it was profitable and making money for both Chrysler and the owner, by close it. If it was not, then it is a victim of the economy, not the administrator.
    Read the letter carefully. It WAS profitable and making money. But the loss of the franchise will turn it upside down.


    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Chrysler had to lower their margin so that the dealership could stay in business and compete with the Chrysler dealership down the street.
    Read the letter. The government is seizing it and GIVING it to someone else.


    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    There must be more to this than what this gentleman is divulging..
    I do believe that our government would not ....steal a man's business, without provocation....
    He could go to the newspapers...if any exist.....
    Why don't you call up Mr. Joseph and ask him? He should be listed in the Melbourne, FL yellow pages.

    He did go to the newspapers. That's where the letter was first published.


    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No where in there does it state that "we", that is the United States, stole his business. Chrysler may have, I do not have enough information to be sure. In fact, the letter and article are very lacking in any kind of comments on why it happened. Funny that.

    Oh, and this is in Florida.
    The government seized the company in its bailout plan and now owns at least 51% of it. Whether Chrysler agreed to it or fought it, I don't know. I do know that if it was still in private hands, it obviously would not close down a profitable franchise. But as you should already know, government does not like small businesses (unless operated by "qualified" minorities) and cares nothing about the profitability of the company.

    I do have ONE huge question: WHAT SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS IN THE GOVERNMENT CALLED THE SHOTS ON CLOSING DOWN MR. JOSEPH'S BUSINESS (AND NO DOUBT OTHERS)?

    Perhaps some of you could research that.

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    Re: A Letter from a Dodge Dealer

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    It IS the government's fault, because in its bailout plan, it SEIZED the business and is now calling the shots.
    I reserve the right to respond to the rest later, if it should prove to be necessary. I don't think it will be, dealing with this first part should take care of the rest.

    The letter does not state, nor does the article, nor does anything I can find, suggest that the government told Chrysler to close down or transfer any dealership. If you can find proof that the government is behind this, I will apologize to you for doubting you, but I suspect I won't have to. This was a move made by Chrysler to try and cut costs, which is necessary because they are losing money. This is not the governments fault...well, not directly anyway, you could possibly argue that deregulation was a contributor to the financial meltdown which led in part to Chrysler's problems.

    Note, I work in the auto industry. Chrysler and the other big 3 auto makers(and Toyota and other foreign auto makers) do not treat those it deals with well. Has not ever, and probably won't. First thing that happens when Chrysler starts to lose money is they go to their parts suppliers and tell them that they will no longer pay the agreed upon price for parts, that if you want to keep selling them, you have to cut your cost by X %. If you cannot afford to do that, you are just out of luck, Chrysler pulls the contract and gives it to some one else.

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