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  • Election Results are Challenged in Court and the Will of the Voters is Overturned.

    2 6.45%
  • The Messiah Farts Out a "Miracle" and Unlimited Federal Money Flows to Sacramento

    6 19.35%
  • The Same People Get Re-Elected, Again.

    11 35.48%
  • Whatever Happens, The Taxpayer Gets Screwed

    24 77.42%
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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    The first step to loss prevention is to get rid of the non-paying customers.
    Agreed on principle, don't think it matters in actually solving the problem. Having a classroom with 40 legal and 5 illegal students costs the same as a class with 45 legal students.

    Once the class sizes have been stabilized at thirty per, which is small enough if the teacher is half-way competent, then we start booting the teachers, not to mention ditching all the free-loading admin.
    California has been losing students for years, most schools that were going year-round are returning to traditional schedules. However, the teacher unions don't want to lose any teachers under any circumstances, they want zero lay-offs, zero pay-cuts, even if they've got one student per classroom. You're fighting a massively powerful and very wealthy union that pretty much controls Sacramento. The biggest problem is that most of the really incompetent teachers are the ones with seniority and tenure and can't be fired for pretty much any reason unless they blatantly break the law and even then, the unions will fight it.

    Cite the clause in the Constitution allowing the federal government regulation over public schools.
    When has that stopped them? You don't think the federal government gives a damn, do you?

    So? How much help does poison need, anyway?
    The poison doesn't need help at all, it's the people who have been poisoned that might need a little aid. However, that's not the point, the point is that Schwarzenegger is using scare tactics with his potential cuts, just like he did a couple weeks ago when he said he was going to fire firefighters (right before the Santa Barbara wildfire). The unions have so much power that their members can never be laid off. Schwarzenegger signed the contract with SEIU, luckily it stalled in the legislature, that guaranteed that none of their 95,000 members could be laid off or have their pay or benefits cut for any reason.

    This is how Sacramento works.

    Guess what? I don't use the poison help line, so let them cut it.
    That's a pretty shallow way of looking at things. I don't use the local hospital either, should we just close it? I can't tell you the last time I needed the police or the fire department. Better shut 'em down.

    What drove GM into bankruptcy was it's failure to produce cars people wanted to buy.
    At a price people were willing to pay and the reason they had to charge so much for their cars is the ridiculous pensions and salaries that they got roped into. I don't remember the exact figures, but something like $1000 out of the profit for every single GM car sold, maybe it's even more, is already spoken for, paying for pensions. California is even worse off, 75% of every dollar we take in is already spoken for, paying for state-employee pensions and benefits. And you know something? They all have legal contracts that cannot legally be violated just because we have no money to pay them.
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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You notice Schwarzenegger's list of cuts doesn't mention a penny being cut from the $10 billion we currently spend on illegal aliens, right? And the unions are completely safe, Schwarzenegger keeps signing contracts making them lay-off proof, as he did with the 95,000-member SEIU back in February. They cannot be laid off, they cannot get pay cuts, they don't have to deal with the same reality that every other American does. The state of California is run by the unions, in fact when they had closed-door budget sessions back in February, the only time they were allowed out of the lockdown was so the Democrats could talk to their union bosses for instructions.

    It's just ridiculous.
    I am beyond emotion. All that needs to happen is for all the legislators and Schwarzenegger to have a big party, and for all of them to choke to death on their martini olives. They all need to idiopathically and ananthropogenically expire.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Agreed on principle, don't think it matters in actually solving the problem. Having a classroom with 40 legal and 5 illegal students costs the same as a class with 45 legal students.
    Well, first off, ****can the 5 invader brats.

    Secondly, the classes have thirty kids in them, not fifty, so we'll deal with something approximating real numbers.

    Take the twenty five kids left, take five over classes just like them, so there's six classes of twenty five kids each, then turn them into five classes of thirty kids each, and fire one of the six teachers, for a 17% savings in teacher costs.

    Tell the surviving five teachers we don't want to hear **** about class size any more because many of us can remember being in classes of thirty five and or so we learned just fine, so we could play the Six Turns Into Five Musical Chairs game again if they get uppity.

    Then we look at the school administrators and fire half of them right off the bat. Don't need 'em, they don't produce anything useful, so trash 'em and tell them to find a real job. Apples come into season right around fall, don't they?


    Oh, and then we look at the students and the parents and say, "well, we don't want to be totally unfair to the teachers. If your little darlings break the law, they're getting arrested and expelled from school if convicted. If they have a bad habit of disrupting class, we'll send them straight home to you, and you can watch them, because we don't have the time or money to do your job."

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    California has been losing students for years,
    Okay. That means, naturally, that the school budgets should have been going down, not up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    However, the teacher unions don't want to lose any teachers under any circumstances, they want zero lay-offs, zero pay-cuts, even if they've got one student per classroom. You're fighting a massively powerful and very wealthy union that pretty much controls Sacramento. The biggest problem is that most of the really incompetent teachers are the ones with seniority and tenure and can't be fired for pretty much any reason unless they blatantly break the law and even then, the unions will fight it.
    Yeah, allowing the retards to run the reform school is retarded in itself.

    So implement a policy of permanent striker replacement. Of course, that means the voters have to get off their dead asses and votes for people who represent their interests, not the unions.

    Voters are damsn stupid creatures. Look at how many voted for a Messiah in 2008.

    I never once said there wasn any hope. There's no hope at all. The death of a republic is always the same, the voters commit national suicide and eventually a tyrant promising them the moon takes over and puts slave collars on them. Our tyrant bears the name "Hussein".

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's a pretty shallow way of looking at things. I don't use the local hospital either, should we just close it?
    If I'm paying for your local hospital, it sounds good to me.

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    I'm sure they will be greatly upset that you, someone from CO, find it unacceptable.


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    Hey, don't begrudge him his support. If we get a money laundering scheme going like the government does for their unions and special interests, Vader could be a big part of our rebellion.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Well, first off, ****can the 5 invader brats.
    Let us all know when you grow up and can handle an adult conversation.

    Secondly, the classes have thirty kids in them, not fifty, so we'll deal with something approximating real numbers.
    Your ideal class size might, in the real world that's not necessarily the case. But regardless, 30 legal students and 25 legal and 5 illegal students cost basically the same, you're ignoring the point of the argument for the minutia.

    Okay. That means, naturally, that the school budgets should have been going down, not up.
    Would be nice, but we have scheduled increases in school budgets that go into effect whether there is a financial need or not. It's stupid, but that's how the system works at the moment. Virtually all of the "cuts" that Schwarzenegger is talking about right now are cuts to scheduled increases, not cuts to existing budgets. Like most politicians, he's playing with imaginary money.

    Yeah, allowing the retards to run the reform school is retarded in itself.
    Which I agree with entirely, but that's the situation we're in. We need to deal with the facts, not the fantasy that you wish was true. The reality is, there are teachers we're paying millions of dollars to every year to do nothing at all. They are being "evaluated for fitness" for years on end, paid daily to sit in an empty room and do nothing at all. It's idiotic, but that damn teacher's union contract requires that it happens.

    Voters are damsn stupid creatures. Look at how many voted for a Messiah in 2008.
    Look at how many morons voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. You had a point?

    If I'm paying for your local hospital, it sounds good to me.
    I guess I was right after all, you really are tremendously shallow. I guess as bad as our current administration might be, we can all be thankful you've got absolutely no power.
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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Let us all know when you grow up and can handle an adult conversation.
    Let us know when you figure out how to handle the real world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Your ideal class size might, in the real world that's not necessarily the case. But regardless, 30 legal students and 25 legal and 5 illegal students cost basically the same, you're ignoring the point of the argument for the minutia.
    So you're a graduate of public school and you found the math I provided you too incredibly difficult so you decided to ignore it because it's math and doesn't mean anything, right?

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    One idea that's kicking around the web is to split California into smaller states with more manageable economies and politics, and write new constitutions for all of them. Here's one such proposal:

    breakingviews | California breakup

    Obviously the politics of this would be incredibly difficult, if not impossible. But what do you guys think about the merits of the idea?
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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So you're a graduate of public school and you found the math I provided you too incredibly difficult so you decided to ignore it because it's math and doesn't mean anything, right?
    Actually private school where I was class valedictorian, plus having degrees in computer science and mathematics. But that doesn't mean anything because it disagrees with you, right?
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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actually private school where I was class valedictorian, plus having degrees in computer science and mathematics. But that doesn't mean anything because it disagrees with you, right?
    Homeschooled, eh?


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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The poison doesn't need help at all, it's the people who have been poisoned that might need a little aid. However, that's not the point, the point is that Schwarzenegger is using scare tactics with his potential cuts, just like he did a couple weeks ago when he said he was going to fire firefighters (right before the Santa Barbara wildfire). The unions have so much power that their members can never be laid off. Schwarzenegger signed the contract with SEIU, luckily it stalled in the legislature, that guaranteed that none of their 95,000 members could be laid off or have their pay or benefits cut for any reason.

    This is how Sacramento works.
    No truer words were spoken. Every Governor has always threatened lay offs and cut backs for state workers around contract negotiation times. But I must add...California state workers in spite of cutbacks and forced unpaid days off still have a great gig. They have a benefits package that would make UAW workers in the 90's drool.

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