View Poll Results: What Happens Next?

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  • Election Results are Challenged in Court and the Will of the Voters is Overturned.

    2 6.45%
  • The Messiah Farts Out a "Miracle" and Unlimited Federal Money Flows to Sacramento

    6 19.35%
  • The Same People Get Re-Elected, Again.

    11 35.48%
  • Whatever Happens, The Taxpayer Gets Screwed

    24 77.42%
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Thread: What Happens to California Now?

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The gentleman goes to the trouble to dig up all this info, and this is your response ?????
    Dig up? I thought it was a C&P job from one of SD's rants.

    Seriously though, you need to go buy yourself a sense of humor.


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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    California has no money and a huge budget deficit yet they can afford a television commercial feature several celebrities and the governor.

    I find this to be completely unacceptable.

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    California has no money and a huge budget deficit yet they can afford a television commercial feature several celebrities and the governor.

    I find this to be completely unacceptable.
    I'm sure they will be greatly upset that you, someone from CO, find it unacceptable.


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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    I'm sure they will be greatly upset that you, someone from CO, find it unacceptable.
    They should be, if they're expecting people from CO (and all the other states) to bail them out of this mess.
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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    They should be, if they're expecting people from CO (and all the other states) to bail them out of this mess.
    Pelosi can count on the Demo politicos from CO for support no matter what some unknown DP members think.

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That wouldn't really help since you'd still have all the over-paid teachers and administrators, no matter how many kids you've got in the classrooms. California teachers are among the highest paid in the nation, thanks to their unions.
    The first step to loss prevention is to get rid of the non-paying customers.

    Once the class sizes have been stabilized at thirty per, which is small enough if the teacher is half-way competent, then we start booting the teachers, not to mention ditching all the free-loading admin.

    Not to mention that a law needs to be written forbidding school administrators from ever having been a part of any teacher's union. We need to restore the healthy adversarial relationship between labor and management. For far too long have we allowed the inmates to run the asylum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's not something they have control over, the federal government requires them to treat all comers regardless.
    Ah.

    The federal government.

    Cite the clause in the Constitution allowing the federal government regulation over public schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Now they're talking about getting rid of the "poison help lines" because they need to save money.
    So? How much help does poison need, anyway?

    What did you expect them to do, cut what needs cutting?

    Guess what? I don't use the poison help line, so let them cut it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The one thing they are not going to do is cut a single state worker with the SEIU, cut pay, benefits or pensions, etc. Isn't this the same thing that drove GM into bankruptcy?
    No.

    What drove GM into bankruptcy was it's failure to produce cars people wanted to buy.

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Pelosi can count on the Demo politicos from CO for support no matter what some unknown DP members think.

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    Maybe. I'm sure there are plenty of politicians in Washington who want to help California. And until I see some statistics on the amount of debt California has, I'm undecided on it myself (although I want to avoid it if possible).

    However, I think it's a much tougher sell than you're making it sound. All of those politicians from the other 49 states are going to have to go back to their constituents and explain why we should spend federal money to bail California out, after Californians just voted not to spend their own money to bail themselves out.

    Not an easy thing to sell.
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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Maybe. I'm sure there are plenty of politicians in Washington who want to help California. And until I see some statistics on the amount of debt California has, I'm undecided on it myself (although I want to avoid it if possible).

    However, I think it's a much tougher sell than you're making it sound. All of those politicians from the other 49 states are going to have to go back to their constituents and explain why we should spend federal money to bail California out, after Californians just voted not to spend their own money to bail themselves out.

    Not an easy thing to sell.
    One of the arguments it going to be:

    California for the last thirty years has paid $1.77 in federal taxes while recieving only $1.00 in federal spending.

    A more important argument will be:

    The 55 congressmen of California will vote for any and every state bailout package if those other states will vote for California's.

    A final argument will be:

    It's only paper, don't worry about it. The Messiah will print more.

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    One of the arguments it going to be:

    California for the last thirty years has paid $1.77 in federal taxes while recieving only $1.00 in federal spending.
    That's a fair enough argument. However, it does not change the fact that Californians have routinely voted to live beyond their means, and then most recently voted not to pay for it themselves. The fact that Californians themselves rejected bailing themselves out is going to make it a much tougher sell that the OTHER 49 states should bail them out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    A more important argument will be:

    The 55 congressmen of California will vote for any and every state bailout package if those other states will vote for California's.
    No other state is as large as California, and no other state has a credit history as bad as California's. If I was a congressman from Idaho or Vermont or Delaware (or anywhere else), there is no way in hell that would be a fair trade. Even by congressional standards of "fair."

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    A final argument will be:

    It's only paper, don't worry about it. The Messiah will print more.
    You can never make a substantive post without coming across like the hack you are, can you?
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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's a fair enough argument. However, it does not change the fact that Californians have routinely voted to live beyond their means, and then most recently voted not to pay for it themselves. The fact that Californians themselves rejected bailing themselves out is going to make it a much tougher sell that the OTHER 49 states should bail them out.
    Oh, I'm not defending California's socialist policies, its not like the people I vote for get elected. I was just pointing out a fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No other state is as large as California, and no other state has a credit history as bad as California's. If I was a congressman from Idaho or Vermont or Delaware (or anywhere else), there is no way in hell that would be a fair trade. Even by congressional standards of "fair."
    What's "fair" got to do with it? Welcome to the world of power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You can never make a substantive post without coming across like the hack you are, can you?
    Because it's a substantive post, the partisans will claim it's a hack, of course.

    Oh, wait, did you just do that?

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