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  • Election Results are Challenged in Court and the Will of the Voters is Overturned.

    2 6.45%
  • The Messiah Farts Out a "Miracle" and Unlimited Federal Money Flows to Sacramento

    6 19.35%
  • The Same People Get Re-Elected, Again.

    11 35.48%
  • Whatever Happens, The Taxpayer Gets Screwed

    24 77.42%
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Thread: What Happens to California Now?

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    We Californians sent a message that spending needs to experience drastic cuts, and that there is so much waste that it actually unites disparate ideologies under the idea that enough is enough.
    Yep. I consider myself fairly liberal, but it seems to me that California needs to make some painful spending cuts. California already has one of the most business-hostile economies in the nation (although my home state of Ohio certainly gives it a run for its money)...so it seems that the tax-hike well is already running dry. Furthermore, it's unlikely that California will be able to secure more loans (unless, of course, the feds bail them out) due to their poor credit rating.

    If they can't hike taxes and they can't borrow more money, there is only one option left. I hate cutting public services as much as anyone, but sometimes it's necessary. There are plenty of programs (such as California's education system) that are incredibly wasteful, where budget cuts wouldn't necessarily have to compromise the quality of the services very much.
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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yep. I consider myself fairly liberal, but it seems to me that California needs to make some painful spending cuts. California already has one of the most business-hostile economies in the nation (although my home state of Ohio certainly gives it a run for its money)...so it seems that the tax-hike well is already running dry. Furthermore, it's unlikely that California will be able to secure more loans (unless, of course, the feds bail them out) due to their poor credit rating.

    If they can't hike taxes and they can't borrow more money, there is only one option left. I hate cutting public services as much as anyone, but sometimes it's necessary. There are plenty of programs (such as California's education system) that are incredibly wasteful, where budget cuts wouldn't necessarily have to compromise the quality of the services very much.
    Sacramento is out of touch with people like you. They don't understand people like you.

    I think a lesson has to be learned from California's public policy. For example, education spending does not go to the children. It goes to simple bureaucracy and as kickbacks for union bribes. A second lesson is that unions are so overgrown that massive cuts from them can be done without affecting their title membership. (Title Membership, for example "Teachers' Union", is teachers) A side lesson from this is that education spending and education performance have nothing to do with each other, and is a bastardization of the concepts of supply and demand.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    I look at the entire nation's economy as the same problem. California is just a micro example in the larger system. The U.S. has been living luxuriously beyond its means for a long time now, and the financial infrastructure has been mostly propped up with hot air. Printing more and more money with foreign loans is a non-sustainable system; and now, everyone wants to hold up that system with bailouts.

    It must come crashing down if something more sustainable is going to take its place. Yes there will be suffering in the process, but at least enter that suffering with your eyes wide open and bite the bullet. Continuing to funnel money into a doomed system by borrowing further or raising taxes is only delaying the inevitable.

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    I agree with whatever happens the taxpayer gets screwed. The governor knelled before the president for federal aid. The governor threatened to lay off more state employees and cut necessary services instead of dumping unnecessary state services and coming up with making state services for efficient and less costly. Instead of releasing non-violent drug offenders, the prison system will release hardcore rapists and killers most likely. What a wonderful world.
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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm not really sure how big of an impact California's bankruptcy would have. It's the fifth-largest economy in the world, so it would undoubtedly send shockwaves around the world...but it's hard to tell if it would be catastrophic or merely unfortunate, and I can't really decide if I would support a federal bailout until I know that. But I'm inclined to avoid bailing them out if at all possible. I think the biggest risk would be from the banks who hold Californian bonds collapsing themselves.

    Does anyone know how much public debt California currently has? That would help provide an idea of how severe the risk to the global economy is.
    The state needs to go bankrupt, it's the only way to fix the problems. About 75% of every tax dollar Sacramento gets right now goes into union benefits and pensions, we need to have those contracts nullified so they can be renegotiated and made more realistic and the only way to do that is bankruptcy. Even if the state is bailed out by the federal government, that's just a temporary bandage, it doesn't change the core problem that the state's finances are fundamentally unworkable.
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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    Stop financing illegal immigration, cut off the unions from the bargaining table for a while, and cut unnecessary programs.
    You notice Schwarzenegger's list of cuts doesn't mention a penny being cut from the $10 billion we currently spend on illegal aliens, right? And the unions are completely safe, Schwarzenegger keeps signing contracts making them lay-off proof, as he did with the 95,000-member SEIU back in February. They cannot be laid off, they cannot get pay cuts, they don't have to deal with the same reality that every other American does. The state of California is run by the unions, in fact when they had closed-door budget sessions back in February, the only time they were allowed out of the lockdown was so the Democrats could talk to their union bosses for instructions.

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I was re-reading the best comic strip ever a few days ago, and I came across this. Kinda reminds me of GM and Chrysler, but it could also apply to California:
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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yep. I consider myself fairly liberal, but it seems to me that California needs to make some painful spending cuts.
    Painful for who, the people paying the taxes or the parasites consuming them.

    Cutting the education funding shouldn't be a problem.

    First step: Announce that all parents must register their children for the fall semester by July 31. Part of that process will include the presentation of proof of US citizenship or legal residency. Failure to provide such documentation will disallow the child from enrollment.

    That'll cut the needed spending on education by 10-20% right there.

    Second Step: Demand proof of insurance, citizenship, or residency for all ER patients.

    Third Step: Publish, as a single document, the California budget, line by line, on the internet, so taxpayers can see just what they're money is being wasted on. Not one dime should be spent on "art", "cultural resotration", "homeless", "state beautification", etc etc etc if cuts in essential police or fire suppression services are enacted.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I hate cutting public services as much as anyone
    I don't hate them at all, considering the vast spectrum of completely pointless services the state provides to select little special interest groups that provide absolutely no return to the vast overwhelming majority of the people who pay the taxes.

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    Re: What Happens to California Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    First step: Announce that all parents must register their children for the fall semester by July 31. Part of that process will include the presentation of proof of US citizenship or legal residency. Failure to provide such documentation will disallow the child from enrollment.
    That wouldn't really help since you'd still have all the over-paid teachers and administrators, no matter how many kids you've got in the classrooms. California teachers are among the highest paid in the nation, thanks to their unions.

    Second Step: Demand proof of insurance, citizenship, or residency for all ER patients.
    That's not something they have control over, the federal government requires them to treat all comers regardless.

    Third Step: Publish, as a single document, the California budget, line by line, on the internet, so taxpayers can see just what they're money is being wasted on. Not one dime should be spent on "art", "cultural resotration", "homeless", "state beautification", etc etc etc if cuts in essential police or fire suppression services are enacted.
    Now they're talking about getting rid of the "poison help lines" because they need to save money. The one thing they are not going to do is cut a single state worker with the SEIU, cut pay, benefits or pensions, etc. Isn't this the same thing that drove GM into bankruptcy?
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