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Is President Obama Right in This?

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  • Yes, I think we can discuss abortion without rancor

    Votes: 9 33.3%

  • No, I think the issue is too divisive

    Votes: 8 29.6%

  • I think we can do better, but it will always be an angry debate

    Votes: 10 37.0%
  • Total voters
    27
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President Obama said:
Understand - I do not suggest that the debate surrounding abortion can or should go away. No matter how much we may want to fudge it - indeed, while we know that the views of most Americans on the subject are complex and even contradictory - the fact is that at some level, the views of the two camps are irreconcilable. Each side will continue to make its case to the public with passion and conviction. But surely we can do so without reducing those with differing views to caricature.
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Is there a real chance that we can debate abortion without seeing the other side as villains? Can we debate the topic without emotions overwhelming respect for those who disagree with us?
 
Redress said:
Is there a real chance that we can debate abortion without seeing the other side as villains? Can we debate the topic without emotions overwhelming respect for those who disagree with us?
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Some can--most can't.
 
Redress said:
Is there a real chance that we can debate abortion without seeing the other side as villains? Can we debate the topic without emotions overwhelming respect for those who disagree with us?
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I think all debates should be more like that but I doubt they will be. The abortion debate is very heated and involves questions of state's rights as well as questions over the rights of a fetus, so it would not be the place I'd expect to see the most civil discussion.
 
No.
President Obama is whistling Dixie...:mrgreen:
As a people we are simply not that civilized.
Maybe 100 years from now ???
 
Wessexman said:
civil discussion.
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Civil! That was the word I was drawing a blank on as I was writing the post and poll. There is no worse feeling on a message board than knowing what you want to say, and all of a sudden drawing a complete blank on the word you want to use...
 
No. Can't be done.

The Left refuses to admit that abortion is the wilful destruction of human life.

Until they can face the facts of the matter, they will continue to respond to the issue with the hatred and vituperation they expend on all their issues.
 
I suppose I should add that I agree with you guys mostly so far. I just cannot see this topic being debated in a civil manner. The moral and civil rights aspects run too strong for people to moderate their emotional response. It's too bad, because that is the very reason I and I suspect many others avoid any discussion of the topic. The arguments are going to get unpleasant, and I just don't want to take part in that level of unpleasantness, especially for an issue I have some moral ambiguity on.
 
No. Can't be done.

The Left refuses to admit that abortion is the wilful destruction of human life.

Until they can face the facts of the matter, they will continue to respond to the issue with the hatred and vituperation they expend on all their issues.
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I agree the left is da evilist.

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Seeing as a majority of Americans are somewhere in the middle ground concerning views on abortion, I don't thing most people get passionate enough about the issue to truly degrade it to a personal one.
 
Dav said:
Seeing as a majority of Americans are somewhere in the middle ground concerning views on abortion, I don't thing most people get passionate enough about the issue to truly degrade it to a personal one.
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Do you think those people in the middle are put off the discussion by the heated nature of those on each extreme?
 
Redress said:
Do you think those people in the middle are put off the discussion by the heated nature of those on each extreme?
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I know my dad is, if that means anything.
 
Felicity said:
Case in point. :roll:
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Felicity said:
I don't doubt they never imagined the legal killing of human beings in the womb!
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Felicity said:
Miscarriages are not the intentional and puposeful killing of a human being.
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Felicity said:
It's manslaughter. Yup. see the last paragraph.
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Felicity said:
killing born people is called murder. What the hell. What aren't you understanding? Currently, if you kill a baby, it's called infanticide.
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Forgive me for thinking your high horse is full of ****. :)
 
Hey guys....

I know this is a heated topic but can we keep the anger in threads actually about abortion please. I admit that this kinda makes the point I am asking about, but still...
 
Redress said:
Hey guys....

I know this is a heated topic but can we keep the anger in threads actually about abortion please. I admit that this kinda makes the point I am asking about, but still...
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Sorry Redress - Here I'll get it back on topic :

He is and he isn't. As long as the majority of people behind the pro-life movements are Fundamentalist Christians then this will never be argued civilly. They simply do not care about people who do not follow their religious beliefs. Their argument is imposing. Instead of giving people the right to chose they argue that pro-choice means pro-abortion. Obama did get that the POVs are opposing.
 
Who here can say that abortion as a form of birth control is a morally wrong choice?

Who here can say that abortion as a form of birth control is a morally right choice?

Then say why or why not.
 
celticlord said:
Who here can say that abortion as a form of birth control is a morally wrong choice?
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I can.

A woman that don't want to be pregant has the freedom to choose to abstain from sexual acts that permit the egg to become thoroughly acquainted with a sperm.

If they mess up, it's not the baby's fault, it's theirs.

It's not rocket science.

Abortion kills a living human.
 
Hatuey said:
Sorry Redress - Here I'll get it back on topic :

He is and he isn't. As long as the majority of people behind the pro-life movements are Fundamentalist Christians then this will never be argued civilly. They simply do not care about people who do not follow their religious beliefs. Their argument is imposing. Instead of giving people the right to chose they argue that pro-choice means pro-abortion. Obama did get that the POVs are opposing.
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Then again, I'm a complete atheist.

So much for your argument.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I can.
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No offense, Scarecrow, but you didn't.

Perhaps the rancor of the debate arises from the tendency of many on both sides to answer the questions they perceive in their minds than the questions actually asked of them.
 
Hatuey said:
Sorry Redress - Here I'll get it back on topic :

He is and he isn't. As long as the majority of people behind the pro-life movements are Fundamentalist Christians then this will never be argued civilly. They simply do not care about people who do not follow their religious beliefs. Their argument is imposing. Instead of giving people the right to chose they argue that pro-choice means pro-abortion. Obama did get that the POVs are opposing.
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I think Catholicism is as strong a motivation as fundamentalist Christianity but ignoring that most pro-lifers are pro-choice. Pro the choice of the people in their states. They may want their state to ban abortion but they believe in choice, the choice of the state against a runaway federal gov't sticking its nose in where it isn't needed or allowed.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Then again, I'm a complete atheist.

So much for your argument.
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To be fair, he did say "a majority".

To be less fair, he implied that if you are a Fundamentalist Christian you cannot debate civilly.
 
celticlord said:
Perhaps the rancor of the debate arises from the tendency of many on both sides to answer the questions they perceive in their minds than the questions actually asked of them.
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Ok, now I am pissed...

We are not supposed to agree on stuff, and yet it is happening an awefull lot lately.
 
Redress said:
Ok, now I am pissed...

We are not supposed to agree on stuff, and yet it is happening an awefull lot lately.
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I'm sneaky that way:mrgreen:
 
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