Yes, I think we can discuss abortion without rancor
No, I think the issue is too divisive
I think we can do better, but it will always be an angry debate
"If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu
An attempt at personal insult, interesting but not an argument.The only ignorance here is the fact that you - like the simple country dweller that you are -
Personally I take it as a compliment from the likes of you.
I'm sure movies from living wankers are much more informative.can not comprehend sentences that apparently aren't written by dead guys hell bent on boring the **** out of us :
That wasn't my point, it was that you pretend to know what you are talking about but you called Catholic fundamentalist Christians.My statement stands. The majority of people behind the pro-life movement are FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS. If you don't like this then well. Not my fault. Deal with the statistics.
"It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke
Frankly, I find abortion to be nauseatingly barbaric, not to mention intellectually unethical, and politically inconsistent (if not antithetical) with both human and civil rights. That said, I'm a bit of a cynical son of a bitch when it comes to this issue. If barbaric people are willfully protecting society from the spread of their DNA, maybe that's a good thing. Then again....
I've had too much experience with abortion not to despise it, but also too much experience not to despise the people who choose them. As human beings we make all kinds of terrible decisions in our lives and people that have had abortions, what they need is healing, compassion, and understanding, not condemnation. I compare abortion with the Rwandan genocides. There were so many people involved in that terrible situation that the government is allowing people caught up in the massacres to go free, so long as they admit what they have done, confess to their community, and demonstrate regret. Churches in the communities are working to foster the healing process through reconciliation and support. Good people can fall into the most barbaric behaviors when its all around them, when it seems like its' "OK". And they too become victims of their own potential for the barbaric. Many women suffer their entire lives with the unbearable shame of what they have done, and condemning them is just as bad as condemning the terrible things drug addicts and alcoholics have done in their past. People that have had abortions need the same support and understanding as recovering addicts.
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There is nothing more dangerous to the liberty of Man than a Government or a Religion seizing upon the strings of an overdeveloped herd instinct amongst the people.
In response to the poll, I chose that I think we could do better, and I do. I just am less likely to believe we will until individuals can become more accepting of one another. I doubt my grandchildren (if I have any) will see that happen in their lifetime, which means I know it won't happen in mine.
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But...as we talked about a bit in this thread, the big problem I think is that both sides are approaching the discussion from unassailable moral positions. Anti-abortion people feel that abortion is murder, and therefore clearly murder. Pro abortion rights people see abortion as a personal rights issue, and the government should not take away rights. With that separation of viewpoints, it makes it pretty much impossible to find common grounds. So we yell our points back and forth, without ever really being able to comprehend why those on the other side cannot see reason.
This topic is a hot one, but one in which people may discuss if one places themselves in the shoes of the otherside. In doing so you may find areas of the argument that may indeed be open for civil discussion.