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Thread: Is President Obama Right in This?

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    Re: Is President Obama Right in This?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I can.
    No offense, Scarecrow, but you didn't.

    Perhaps the rancor of the debate arises from the tendency of many on both sides to answer the questions they perceive in their minds than the questions actually asked of them.

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    Re: Is President Obama Right in This?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sorry Redress - Here I'll get it back on topic :

    He is and he isn't. As long as the majority of people behind the pro-life movements are Fundamentalist Christians then this will never be argued civilly. They simply do not care about people who do not follow their religious beliefs. Their argument is imposing. Instead of giving people the right to chose they argue that pro-choice means pro-abortion. Obama did get that the POVs are opposing.
    I think Catholicism is as strong a motivation as fundamentalist Christianity but ignoring that most pro-lifers are pro-choice. Pro the choice of the people in their states. They may want their state to ban abortion but they believe in choice, the choice of the state against a runaway federal gov't sticking its nose in where it isn't needed or allowed.
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    Re: Is President Obama Right in This?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Then again, I'm a complete atheist.

    So much for your argument.
    To be fair, he did say "a majority".

    To be less fair, he implied that if you are a Fundamentalist Christian you cannot debate civilly.

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    Re: Is President Obama Right in This?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Perhaps the rancor of the debate arises from the tendency of many on both sides to answer the questions they perceive in their minds than the questions actually asked of them.
    Ok, now I am pissed...

    We are not supposed to agree on stuff, and yet it is happening an awefull lot lately.

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    Re: Is President Obama Right in This?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ok, now I am pissed...

    We are not supposed to agree on stuff, and yet it is happening an awefull lot lately.
    I'm sneaky that way

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    Re: Is President Obama Right in This?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Who here can say that abortion as a form of birth control is a morally wrong choice?

    Who here can say that abortion as a form of birth control is a morally right choice?

    Then say why or why not.
    It has nothing to do with morality. It has to do with a choice that is nobody's business but that of the person about to take it. Leave it to them and their version of what is morally right/wrong.
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    Re: Is President Obama Right in This?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It has nothing to do with morality. It has to do with a choice that is nobody's business but that of the person about to take it.
    That is a moral statement. Your words are their own refutation.

    It also does not answer the questions I posed.

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    Re: Is President Obama Right in This?

    If I can try and steer this back in the direction I was hoping to go, I would like to avoid debating abortion itself, and more stick to talking about the level of discourse involved in the debate.

    That is a request, not a commandment kinda thing. It's interesting either way.

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    Re: Is President Obama Right in This?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I think Catholicism is as strong a motivation as fundamentalist Christianity but ignoring that most pro-lifers are pro-choice. Pro the choice of the people in their states. They may want their state to ban abortion but they believe in choice, the choice of the state against a runaway federal gov't sticking its nose in where it isn't needed or allowed.
    States rights is such a load of bull**** it's almost funny when people bring it up like denying an individual the right to carry out a private matter should be left up to state governments and not the federal one.
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    Re: Is President Obama Right in This?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    That is a moral statement.
    No it's not. Please stop with the non-sequiturs?
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