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Which drugs should be legalized for recreational use?

Which drugs should be legalized for recreational use?

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Do you understand how government works when dealing with such harmful chemicals?

The amount of red tape, the level of inspections, the high cost of insurance, the high demands of workers being potentially exposed to dangerous agents, etc, etc. The only way costs would not be excessive is if demand was extremely high, which is not likely given the nature of meth and its relationship with other drugs that would become legalized.
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All of that is irrelevant compared to the benefits you get from factory based mass production. Cottage industries cannot compete with factories, regardless of circumstance. Being illegal just makes the disadvantage even worse.

I can’t argue with the type of libertarians that think nuclear weapons should be legal and available….same thing here. It is these issues that spawn the term losertarian.
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Drug legalization if becoming much more mainstream. California has finally managed to throw of the federal yoke. Drug legalization is one of things that makes the libertarian party appealing. I am no libertarian, but I consider the organized crime resulting from prohibition worse than the theoretical increase in drug users.
 
rathi said:
Drug legalization if becoming much more mainstream. California has finally managed to throw of the federal yoke. Drug legalization is one of things that makes the libertarian party appealing. I am no libertarian, but I consider the organized crime resulting from prohibition worse than the theoretical increase in drug users.
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Canadian Majority Would Legalize Marijuana: Angus Reid Global Monitor

Look at the numbers below that of marijuana.

Less than 10% of Canadians support legalizing hard drugs. And this is a country much more liberal than the US.
 
rathi said:
All of that is irrelevant compared to the benefits you get from factory based mass production. Cottage industries cannot compete with factories, regardless of circumstance. Being illegal just makes the disadvantage even worse.
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This is simply not true in every case. Right now I can (and do) produce micro brewed beer cheaper then I can buy it….I can (and do) also grow a cheaper tomato then I can purchase.

Unless you actually know the demand, markups, taxes, and the extraneous costs placed on responsible production, you are talking out of your ass.

Drug legalization if becoming much more mainstream. California has finally managed to throw of the federal yoke. Drug legalization is one of things that makes the libertarian party appealing. I am no libertarian, but I consider the organized crime resulting from prohibition worse than the theoretical increase in drug users.
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I agree on most of it, but meth is a special case.
 
This is simply not true in every case. Right now I can (and do) produce micro brewed beer cheaper then I can buy it….I can (and do) also grow a cheaper tomato then I can purchase.
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Last I checked, you can't make either of those in a factory. Meth simply requires that chemicals be combined in the right proportion, nothing organic about them. Its a simple assembly line process with bulk purchases of raw materials. Can you make aspirin cheaper than you can buy in the store?

Unless you actually know the demand, markups, taxes, and the extraneous costs placed on responsible production, you are talking out of your ass.
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You are ignoring the realities of mass produced goods. Meth can be produced legitimately, sold at profit with high government taxes, and still be much cheaper than anything available today.
 
I am not a social conservative by most folk's standards. (But I make up for it with my other conservative traits. :mrgreen:)

I'm all for the legalization of pot. That's the only one I checked in the poll. I can even see how mushrooms might be socially acceptable to some folks too.

But whoever checked their approval for cocaine, meth and opiates don't have a brain in their head, in my opinion. Pure poison. We might as well sanctify russian roulette as a recreational past time. Unbelievable. :roll:
 
rathi said:
Last I checked, you can't make either of those in a factory. Meth simply requires that chemicals be combined in the right proportion
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You pretty much described zymurgy.

Can you make aspirin cheaper than you can buy in the store?
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does aspirin create 7 parts toxic waste for every 1 part aspirin created? If so, I probably could make it cheaper so long as I just dump the waste down a drain.

You are ignoring the realities of mass produced goods. Meth can be produced legitimately, sold at profit with high government taxes, and still be much cheaper than anything available today.
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you keep saying mass produced but demand will dry up when other drugs are legal. Do you envision advertising meth and doing special giveaways to increase demand just so it becomes profitable to produce in mass?
 
Captain America said:
I am not a social conservative by most folk's standards. (But I make up for it with my other conservative traits. :mrgreen:)

I'm all for the legalization of pot. That's the only one I checked in the poll. I can even see how mushrooms might be socially acceptable to some folks too.

But whoever checked their approval for cocaine, meth and opiates don't have a brain in their head, in my opinion. Pure poison. We might as well sanctify russian roulette as a recreational past time. Unbelievable. :roll:
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Who cares if it is pure poison? If you do not want to die, do not take it. It is really that simple.
 
EgoffTib said:
Who cares if it is pure poison? If you do not want to die, do not take it. It is really that simple.
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But if it's legal everyone else will start doing it in spite of the health consequences!!1!11eleven
 
Captain America said:
But whoever checked their approval for cocaine, meth and opiates don't have a brain in their head, in my opinion. Pure poison. We might as well sanctify russian roulette as a recreational past time. Unbelievable. :roll:
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What exactly will cause consumption of cocaine, meth, and opiates to increase if they are legalized? Everybody I used to know who did those drugs had an absolutely endless supply through thier connections. That stuff is pouring over the Mexican border.

So if drug users can get as much as they want anytime, how is legalizing it going to make it more available? There is no such thing as even more completely available.
 
Goldwaters said:
What exactly will cause consumption of cocaine, meth, and opiates to increase if they are legalized? Everybody I used to know who did those drugs had an absolutely endless supply through thier connections. That stuff is pouring over the Mexican border.

So if drug users can get as much as they want anytime, how is legalizing it going to make it more available? There is no such thing as even more completely available.
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The fact that the drug is available and not illegal. Contrary to what you may think, drugs being illegal does deter people from using them... and if it doesn't, the law will eventually find them. They may have an endless supply, but there is a very scant chance that they can sustain their habit without being caught by law enforcement.

The amount the drug is used, both by people who already use it and those who pick it up because it is legalized, will make it abundantly more available. Its nonsense to think that legalizing a drug will not have any effect on its availability. Really, I know plenty of people who would pick it up because they knew they had no risk with the law.
 
EgoffTib said:
Who cares if it is pure poison? If you do not want to die, do not take it. It is really that simple.
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Its really not that simple. Not everyone is educated on the effects of such harmful substances... Those who are and choose to use it are a harm to society, and allowing them to use such substances is a harm to everyone around them.
 
Tubub said:
Its really not that simple. Not everyone is educated on the effects of such harmful substances... Those who are and choose to use it are a harm to society, and allowing them to use such substances is a harm to everyone around them.
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And so we arrest them and they go to jail only to end up being able to get their hands on drugs and they are using all over again.

Lets not forget that they are in JAIL. A place of punishment that is supposed to be so secure that not even drugs can get in but they do and you can get them very easily in jail.

Prohibition doesn't work.
 
I picked them all. I do not make the choices for your body and nor should the government. I make those choices for my body and not the government. I own my body; you do not own my body and neither does the government.
 
Tubub said:
Contrary to what you may think, drugs being illegal does deter people from using them...
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BS. The world's foremost experts on the subject cannot find such a correlation. What gives you such clairvoyance that you somehow know about a connection that they don't?

Tubub said:
The amount the drug is used, both by people who already use it and those who pick it up because it is legalized, will make it abundantly more available.
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Until you can show that people will "pick it up" when legalized, you have nothing but your own personal assumptions about people you don't know, unsupported and even arguably refuted by all the relevant studies and data on the subject.

Are YOU going to go out and start shooting up heroin when it's legalized? No? I didn't think so.

Tubub said:
Its nonsense to think that legalizing a drug will not have any effect on its availability.
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It's nonsense to think that availability = use when there is no data at all to support that myth.

Tubub said:
Not everyone is educated on the effects of such harmful substances...
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Yes, that's definitely part of the problem. You solve a problem by addressing it, not by using it as leverage to justify creating more problems.

Tubub said:
Really, I know plenty of people who would pick it up because they knew they had no risk with the law.
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Tubub said:
The amount the drug is used, both by people who already use it and those who pick it up because it is legalized, will make it abundantly more available.
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Drugs are already abundantly available
 
Tubub said:
Really, I know plenty of people who would pick it up because they knew they had no risk with the law.
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In my seven years of working at a rehab clinic I eventually treated a few thousand patients. Not one of them ever said they stopped, or were dissueded from doing drugs because it's against the law.
 
Jerry said:
I did :2wave:

The Loosertarian stance to legalize all drugs has cost them a lot of support from Conservatives and moderate Democrats. The same goes with it's position on prostitution, but this thread isn't about prostitution. When the Loosertarian party chooses to back down from it's radical leanings it will find itself in a position to take the power it has always wanted.
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Why don't you try to understand why the LP is so strong on legalizing drugs? It is NOT because they want to use or sell them. It IS because a free market is far superior than one run by government. We had that in 1900. Drug abuse was practically nonexistant. Ditto for drug CRIME.

Personally, I would never want to use these drugs except for legitimate medical purposes. But I am FED UP with our prisons being horribly overcrowded with extremist laws against actions that have no legitimate victims, billions of taxes being wasted for drug "wars," and dangerous criminals being created because of it.


celticlord said:
Is drug legalization a show-stopper for you, or is your assessment merely strategic in nature?

Would you ever vote for a candidate who supported drug legalization? Why or why not?
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Of course I would. Read my comment above.


Devil505 said:
Rare agreement with you but you are right on!
(& it's time to legalize prostitution & gambling too)

Government has no business trying to operate like a church!...Stay out of victimless moral questions entirely!
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You are exactly right. Government is regulating morality as if it was a church. We are supposed to have an absolute SEPARATION of church and state.
 
ARealConservative said:
you keep saying mass produced but demand will dry up when other drugs are legal. Do you envision advertising meth and doing special giveaways to increase demand just so it becomes profitable to produce in mass?
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Who cares if demand for meth increases if it's legalized?

You have completely failed to establish your basis for controlling it.

How about if you start working on that project sometime soon, huh?
 
Tubub said:
The fact that the drug is available and not illegal. Contrary to what you may think, drugs being illegal does deter people from using them... and if it doesn't, the law will eventually find them. They may have an endless supply, but there is a very scant chance that they can sustain their habit without being caught by law enforcement.

The amount the drug is used, both by people who already use it and those who pick it up because it is legalized, will make it abundantly more available. Its nonsense to think that legalizing a drug will not have any effect on its availability. Really, I know plenty of people who would pick it up because they knew they had no risk with the law.
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So what?

That is their business, and not yours, correct?
 
Tubub said:
Its really not that simple. Not everyone is educated on the effects of such harmful substances... Those who are and choose to use it are a harm to society, and allowing them to use such substances is a harm to everyone around them.
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Again, so what? Are you their mother?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Who cares if demand for meth increases if it's legalized?

You have completely failed to establish your basis for controlling it.

How about if you start working on that project sometime soon, huh?
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way to completely misunderstand the point of the person you are arguing with.

I said demand would go down, not up.

unless you start making sense and showing even the smallest signs of reading comprehension, you aren't part of my dialogue on this matter.
 
ARealConservative said:
way to completely misunderstand the point of the person you are arguing with.
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Oh, is that what you're trying to do?

ARealConservative said:
I said demand would go down, not up.
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Not the question asked in the post you quoted, also, since the free market will cause the price to go down, not to mention the termination of the jail-related costs of possession and use, almost all drug use can be expected to demonstrate at least temporary spike-ups in the period immediately following de-criminalization.

ARealConservative said:
unless you start making sense and showing even the smallest signs of reading comprehension, you aren't part of my dialogue on this matter.
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It's not my problem you refuse to see sense in my posts.

Again, what business is it of yours if someone not you decides to put drugs in their body, and from what Constitutional citation does the Federal government draw it's authority to violate those people's Ninth Amendment rights?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Again, what business is it of yours if someone not you decides to put drugs in their body, and from what Constitutional citation does the Federal government draw it's authority to violate those people's Ninth Amendment rights?
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The question does not ask if the federal government makes it illegal, but merely which should be legal.

I'm all for allowing all 50 states to ban meth/allow it independently.

As for what business is it of mine? The same business I have in not allowing an individual to possess radioactive material.
 
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