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    Does Nationality matter more than Race?

    I myself am a British national and the child of two British nationals, but of Turkish decent. I grew up in a British household and i was born and raised in Britain. I love the country and in my eyes there is nothing that seperates me from any other Ethnic class of people, English or otherwise, because in the end race has no significance; we are all British. If we did pay attention to race then the majority of those who consider themselves "German", or "English" or whatever actually have no links to German or English ancestral decent but are actually decended from the French or Swedish etc. I remember Infinte Chaos once posting that there is only a select few left in Britain from pure English stock.
    This issue is especially prevelant in America. I mean, are Americans English or are they Americans? Are African Americans Ugandan, Nigerian, or are they American? Am i really Turkish, or Albanian, Macedonian, or Italian?

    What are your thoughts on Nationality and Race?
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    Re: Does Nationality matter more than Race?

    Hard question to answer tbh.

    Nationality has legal ramifications, and hence per say is "more important" than race. What nationality you are can make or break where you can go in the world and what rights you have. Race does not do that for the most part.

    But saying that, race is often used via legal terms by xenophobic racist parts of populations to marginalize minorities and use them as an excuse for every bad thing that is going on. So race does matter for some very vocal morons and those morons have successfully managed to incorporate "race" into laws, thereby elevating race to the same importance as nationality and in some cases to a higher grade of importance as those of the "wrong race" often were denied the legal nationality of others. Italy under Berlusconi comes to mind of recent issues, Hitler's Germany, segregated USA, apartheid South Africa and many parts of the gulf today although here it is more of a hybrid nationality race issue.
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    Re: Does Nationality matter more than Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I myself am a British national and the child of two British nationals, but of Turkish decent. I grew up in a British household and i was born and raised in Britain. I love the country and in my eyes there is nothing that seperates me from any other Ethnic class of people, English or otherwise, because in the end race has no significance; we are all British. If we did pay attention to race then the majority of those who consider themselves "German", or "English" or whatever actually have no links to German or English ancestral decent but are actually decended from the French or Swedish etc. I remember Infinte Chaos once posting that there is only a select few left in Britain from pure English stock.
    This issue is especially prevelant in America. I mean, are Americans English or are they Americans? Are African Americans Ugandan, Nigerian, or are they American? Am i really Turkish, or Albanian, Macedonian, or Italian?

    What are your thoughts on Nationality and Race?
    I believe that nationality should matter more than race, and that race shouldn't matter at all. I believe, that at our healthiest social position, we identify ourselves first as individuals, then as families, then as communities, as States, as Nations, and then according to our ideology (Christian, Muslim, Communist, Libertarian, Conservative, etc).

    Gender, Race, Sexual Preference, Socio-Economic Status... these aren't considerations.
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    Re: Does Nationality matter more than Race?

    Ooooooh, tough one Kaya. I am an Armenian born and bred in Lebanon, French citizen with an American family and live between France and England.

    So what am I ? French, Lebanese or Armenian ? I have no idea. I'm happy to belong to several cultures and insist on the word CULTURE because I'm convinced that my life has been enriched by being exposed to diversity.

    I live in a neighborhood that has a large diversity of races and origins. I consider all of them to be French from different backgrounds. I appreciate people who benefit from the positive sides of each culture and are able to elevate people that they interract with by bringing something new and positive into their lives.

    An Algerian, Polish or black African French is still French but has alot to learn from French culture and has also alot to teach the French.

    Makes sense ?

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    Re: Does Nationality matter more than Race?

    Ooooooh, tough one Kaya. I am an Armenian born and bred in Lebanon, French citizen with an American family and live between France and England.

    So what am I ? French, Lebanese or Armenian ? I have no idea. I'm happy to belong to several cultures and insist on the word CULTURE because I'm convinced that my life has been enriched by being exposed to diversity.

    I live in a neighborhood that has a large diversity of races and origins. I consider all of them to be French from different backgrounds. I appreciate people who benefit from the positive sides of each culture and are able to elevate people that they interract with by bringing something new and positive into their lives.

    An Algerian, Polish or black African French is still French but has alot to learn from French culture and has also alot to teach the French.

    Makes sense ?
    Makes perfect sense. The majority of the Armenian diaspora who come from Lebanon that i have met consider themselves Armenian, though there is a select few who consider themselves Lebanese more.
    Im kinda confused in that sense too because i see myself as British and Turkish and have the need to protect both cultural identities and ideals, so in the end i just call myself a British Turk.
    Thats an interesting cultural mix you have there though Mira, your lucky!
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    Re: Does Nationality matter more than Race?

    depends on how you mean the question I guess. As mentioned by others, nationality matters more in terms of laws, so that is probably the best, right answer.

    To me personally, neither nationality nor race matters much in how I judge/treat people. I have gotten to see a large part of the world, meet and spend time with people of all national and ethnic makeups, and basically, people are people, the rest is just handy labels.

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    Re: Does Nationality matter more than Race?

    Nationality matters to me more than race.
    I don't even register race when i call myself British


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    Re: Does Nationality matter more than Race?

    I don't really care about race all that much. So I would say yes nationality is more important to a limited extent.


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    Re: Does Nationality matter more than Race?

    Nationality matters more than race. Don't tell that to the purveyors of identity-politics though.

    To them, Everybody is a (race)-American rather than being an American of (racial) descent.
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    Re: Does Nationality matter more than Race?

    Nationality is a matter of choice: we have the right and the power to choose our citizenship.

    Race is a fiction, a badly formed lie told badly.

    However, neither "matters" much. Neither changes who we are, or how we choose to live our lives.

    The correct answer is that option, which was not given: Neither is significant.

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