View Poll Results: Should weed be legalized in the US?

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    Re: Should weed be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm not a smoker, but imo as long as tobacco is going to be legal, weed may as well be also.

    I think you should have to be 21 to buy, with regulations and penalties smiler to alcohol. All smoking bans apply to smoking weed, all plant growing limitations, license requirements and smiler that apply to growing tobacco also apply to weed.

    Questions for law enforcement out there:
    • What tests could be used to determine if someone is too high to drive?
    • How is the chemical measured?
    • What should be the legal limit for driving?
    I dunno if someone already answered your questions since Im still sifting through this thread that Im way behind on, but..

    The NHTSA has determined that the current divided attention tests used to determine impairment while driving as a part of their SFST battery (standardized field sobreity testing) apply universally to all drugs that impair driving. The physical, roadside tests probably will not change any.

    As far as chemical testing, that would be a bit more difficult, as currently since the product is illegal, ANY measurable amount of the drug in the blood of a defendant is evidence that the defendant had consumed the drug, and must be combined with evidence that the defendant was impaired at the time of driving (testimony or MVR tape of field sobriety test performance).


    I personally believe the current system will have to remain in place in order to work out properly, even if it leaves alot of open questions, due to the fact that there are many drugs (namely marijuana) which can stay in your blood analysis for quite some time, thus the requirement for testimony an/or video taped evidence of poor performance on field sobriety tests, coupled with an officer's opinion that the defendant was driving while impaired by alcohol or another impairing substance.


    I guess the medical community could do some research to determine if there is a better system of measuring the amount of impairment the body was under at the time, but our current ways will still work fine.

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    Re: Should weed be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The only thing I have to say about that is, TODAY, anyhow (not 20 years ago) it has less to do with race and more to do with environment.

    In areas of higher crime, more police are going to be around, and more calls generated from 911, and more interaction with those in the low-income (typically minority) areas. Couple that with the fact that these areas tend to work Outside as I believe your source mentioned (open-air) or when they do operate out of mobility (vehicles) these vehicles are usually poorly maintained and usually easy targets of equipment violation traffic stops (broken tail light, etc) which then result in drug arrests.

    I think it has less to do with a "LETS ARREST US SUM' BLACK SUNSA BITCHES" than people who use these statistics tend to think.
    Read the link my police officer friend. Instead of going off in your usual uneducated and apologist rants for police misconduct regardless of the issue. Regardless of whether it is today or 20 years ago - blacks are still prosecuted more often then whites for the same offense. Which is what the link explained. That has nothing to do with how much interaction cops have with blacks and whites. If police were consistent in this matter then there wouldn't be such a discrepancy.

    Example : You a cop. See 3 different white kids on 3 different occasions smoking weed. Yet you only arrest one for it. Then give warnings to the other two.

    Then on 3 other occasions you end up arresting 3 different black kids for the same offense you only arrested one white kid for.

    Do you get it now? Good.
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    Re: Should weed be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Read the link my police officer friend. Instead of going off in your usual uneducated and apologist rants for police misconduct regardless of the issue.
    Prove misconduct and maybe you'd have a point.

    Regardless of whether it is today or 20 years ago - blacks are still prosecuted more often then whites for the same offense. Which is what the link explained. That has nothing to do with how much interaction cops have with blacks and whites. If police were consistent in this matter then there wouldn't be such a discrepancy.
    So now its the POLICE responsibility what gets PROSECUTED? Im sorry, I don't work in the District Attorney's Office. I think you have failed when it comes to learning how the justice system works.


    Example : You a cop. See 3 different white kids on 3 different occasions smoking weed. Yet you only arrest one for it. Then give warnings to the other two.
    Lets see. The one who got arrested was being a mouthy little bitch. The other two would have got CITATIONS, not warnings.


    Then on 3 other occasions you end up arresting 3 different black kids for the same offense you only arrested one white kid for.

    Do you get it now? Good.
    All three were mouthing off acting like complete asses.....


    Do you see where this is going?

    When the authority to ARREST or CITE someone for the same charge exists..... The officer is usually ALWAYS going to CITE unless for some god awful reason the defendant gives him a reason to believe that an ARREST would be more suitable for the individual involved.

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    Re: Should weed be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine
    WTF is a Class C drug?
    It is the UK drug scheduling. I think it would correlate with the US' schedule III, basically possession of a class C drug is a fine or warning based on officer's discretion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine
    The only thing I have to say about that is, TODAY, anyhow (not 20 years ago) it has less to do with race and more to do with environment.

    In areas of higher crime, more police are going to be around, and more calls generated from 911, and more interaction with those in the low-income (typically minority) areas. Couple that with the fact that these areas tend to work Outside as I believe your source mentioned (open-air) or when they do operate out of mobility (vehicles) these vehicles are usually poorly maintained and usually easy targets of equipment violation traffic stops (broken tail light, etc) which then result in drug arrests.

    I think it has less to do with a "LETS ARREST US SUM' BLACK SUNSA BITCHES" than people who use these statistics tend to think.
    The numbers say otherwise. Caucasian youths are statistically speaking FAR more likely to use illegal drugs than their minority peers, but minorities are arrested at rates twice to three times their numbers for drug offenses. Let's face it, police do not patrol the suburbs like they do the inner city, and if they did hit the burbs as hard as they do to the inner city, the drug war would over in a few decades.

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    Re: Should weed be legalized?

    ^ I should be more specific, when I say the drug war would be over, I do not mean it is won. For it is an unwinnable war. It would end because when the sons and daughters of judges, mayors, governors, senators, police chiefs and other affluent members of society, get popped for minor drug violations, their parents will lobby for ending the war.
    Last edited by Thoreau; 05-20-09 at 07:41 PM.

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    Re: Should weed be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau View Post
    It is the UK drug scheduling. I think it would correlate with the US' schedule III, basically possession of a class C drug is a fine or warning based on officer's discretion.

    The numbers say otherwise. Caucasian youths are statistically speaking FAR more likely to use illegal drugs than their minority peers, but minorities are arrested at rates twice to three times their numbers for drug offenses. Let's face it, police do not patrol the suburbs like they do the inner city, and if they did hit the burbs as hard as they do to the inner city, the drug war would over in a few decades.
    I've patrolled both, and the situations in which you can find drug offenders are vastly different.

    Its not like there is a radar that says "BEEP BEEP WHITE TEENS USING MARIJUANA OVER HERE BEEP" an you get to decide whether or not to go find them.

    White kids using pot in the safety of their own backyards where no crime trends have been occurring and nobody has called for police assistance in the area for any reason, chances are they are going to get away with it. (Which is fine by me).

    When a group of black kids in the inner city are hanging out at the basketball court in their neighborhood where police get a high number of calls for service due to gang related activity in the area, they are at a higher risk of getting caught because the police are going to have a tighter patrol of that neighborhood so that they can be close by when the next call comes in. This is what we call a "hot spot".

    This is very simple to understand if the reader is TRYING to understand it instead of trying to find a way to poke holes in the scenario to prove some assumption based off of crime statistics.

    Generally speaking, your are at a higher risk of getting caught when doing something if you are hanging out in an area where police frequently get calls for service for crime related activity than you are if you are hanging out in an area that is GENERALLY problem free.

    Unfortunately, the fact that minorities typically live in these areas is not controllable by law enforcement. Whether one wants to assert that opinion or not.

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    Re: Should weed be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau View Post
    ^ I should be more specific, when I say the drug war would be over, I do not mean it is won. For it is an unwinnable war. It would end because when the sons and daughters of judges, mayors, governors, senators, police chiefs and other affluent members of society, get popped for minor drug violations, their parents will lobby for ending the war.
    Thats possible.

    Also we will get closer and closer to the end of the drug war as more generations that grew up when the use of drugs was more of a part of "fitting in" with society get closer to the age of governing.

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    Re: Should weed be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Except you didn't bring up anything, other than another thread. If you want to ask me about other drugs, then ask me, don't ask if I'm participating in another thread. However, don't expect to ask me a question and me answer it when you wont' even asnwer mine.
    I am just wondering if your one of those all drugs should be legal for recreational use individuals or are you the only certian drugs should be legal for recreational use individuals. If your in the crowd that says only certain drugs should be legal for recreational use then it seems hypocritical to harp on me for not suggesting that alcohol should be illegal.

    If those things you stated are your reason for keeping marijuana illegal, why to are you not calling for alcohol to become illegal because it fits the exact same criteria.
    Simple alcohol is already legal and we shouldn't add more problems by legalizing more things for recreational drug use. If you want a buzz, booze is legal.
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    Re: Should weed be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    we shouldn't add more problems by legalizing more things for recreational drug use.
    Legalizing is not adding more problems.

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    Re: Should weed be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Simple alcohol is already legal and we shouldn't add more problems by legalizing more things for recreational drug use. If you want a buzz, booze is legal.
    What if you want deep introspection, the kind offered by the likes of Psilocybin and LSD? A buzz is boring, it does not really accomplish anything. Escapism at it's finest. I personally enjoy accessing the deepest reaches of my mind. I use psychedelics as a tool to aid in this process. How am I a danger to society?
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