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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    True that
    The county where i live has some of the highest taxes on the planet. Cook County IL. They have to find a way to get the money to pay for the upkeep of all the X governors and politicians that are in jail. I think they are going to put on an addition to cook county jail they will call it the governors wing.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    I would not want some lawmaker coming over and telling me that I need to do this and that with children's health issues. I would be nervous taking a child to the doctor for anything as the state may take them away because you don't want to give them cough medicine.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    The county where i live has some of the highest taxes on the planet. Cook County IL. They have to find a way to get the money to pay for the upkeep of all the X governors and politicians that are in jail. I think they are going to put on an addition to cook county jail they will call it the governors wing.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I am so glad we moved away from Chicago in 2006. I don't miss it at all.
    I love the city. I have moved back and forth between NY SF and Chicago all my life. I am tired of the taxes here though. hen gas was real high we were paying about .40 a gallon more than everyone else. It sucks.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I love the city. I have moved back and forth between NY SF and Chicago all my life. I am tired of the taxes here though. hen gas was real high we were paying about .40 a gallon more than everyone else. It sucks.
    I hear ya. I loved the city, hated the taxes.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I hear ya. I loved the city, hated the taxes.

    Chicago still has the best skyline in the world.
    It sure does. It is beautiful when sitting out on the lake.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    I'm inclined to say not. State intervention is typically regarded as an undue authoritarian imposition, but what's apparently not considered is that the parental prohibition of treatment may actually constitute a more authoritarian imposition, considering that the consequences of the former may be something so trivial as successful treatment, whereas the consequences of the latter could be significantly worse.

    An additional element that warrants consideration is the capacity of children to make their own treatment decisions. It's imperative to note that the category of "children" includes all minors, including infantilized adolescents who could likely function in adult society if given the means and opportunity. Moreover, I think it likely that even legitimate "children" could make informed and rational treatment decisions in some circumstances, especially if we as a society took the initiative to stimulate their intellectual development at younger ages. Much of the empirical literature supports this analysis. For instance, we could consider Weithorn and Campbell's The Capacity of Children and Adolescents to Make Informed Treatment Decisions. Consider the abstract:

    This study was a test for developmental differences in competency to make informed treatment decisions. 96 subjects, 24 (12 males and 12 females) at each of 4 age levels (9, 14, 18, and 21), were administered a measure developed to assess competency according to 4 legal standards. The measure included 4 hypothetical treatment dilemmas and a structured interview protocol. Overall, 14-year-olds did not differ from adults. 9-year-olds appeared less competent than adults with respect to their ability to reason about and understand the treatment information provided in the dilemmas. However, they did not differ from older subjects in their expression of reasonable preferences regarding treatment. It is concluded that the findings do not support the denial of the right of self-determination to adolescents in health-care situations on the basis of a presumption of incapacity. Further, children as young as 9 appear able to participate meaningfully in personal health-care decision making.
    Unfortunately, most prefer to consider their own anecdotal experiences to arrive at conclusions contrary to those of the empirical literature, which obviously does not facilitate a sound or rational analysis.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So, should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?
    No parents should not be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children. We do not allow parents to beat the living **** out of their kids,let them let their kids walk around nude, and let them starve their children to death. So why on earth would we allow parents to basically kill their children by letting them not get life saving treatment.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The state has no right to second guess the parent in such matters. As an operation of law, the 9th and 10th Amendments stand solidly against such a position, in addition to the 1st Amendment in this particular case.

    As a matter of practice, parents authorize medical treatments for their children, not the state.

    Unless we are prepared to surrender parental authority and parental prerogative to the state, yours is an indefensible position.
    Though I support the Constitution as you say, I have one issue with the notion of parents refusing any medical treatment for their children. It's like this, Americans have a right to life, liberty and property and as a pro-life person I believe the life is a God given right. Now I viewed this topic as regarding lifesaving medical care. I don't mean just any medical care like for a cut or sniffles. Does that make sense?
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Though I support the Constitution as you say, I have one issue with the notion of parents refusing any medical treatment for their children. It's like this, Americans have a right to life, liberty and property and as a pro-life person I believe the life is a God given right. Now I viewed this topic as regarding lifesaving medical care. I don't mean just any medical care like for a cut or sniffles. Does that make sense?
    To say the idea that a parent might make such a decision is disquieting in the extreme. However, as one who is of the opinion that life is more than a detectable heartbeat and brainwave activity, that life is also a matter the values by which we order our lives (and, as parents, our children's lives), I am even more disquieted by the notion that a parent's values and their decisions on how to order their child's life could be subject to the review of a court.

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