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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    In Texas, at least, the law does not agree with you.

    153.074 of the Family Code grants a parent the right to, among other things:
    The right to "direct the moral and religious training of the child" does not include the right to neglect your child until they die.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Say the kid will live six months without the treatment and twelve months with the treatment and the treatment will cause those twelve months to be a living hell for him.

    Should the parents have any say in which way it goes under these conditions?

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Everything you have said up until now would lead me to believe it is, so please explain what the difference is between my analogy and the case in this thread. Both scenarios are motivated by religious beliefs. Both scenarios involve an "alternate treatment." Neither scenario involves the parents wishing death upon their child. Both scenarios will result in death for the child.

    Instead of pointing out the medical efficacy of certain substances (which do not include purging Satan), please explain at what point it ceases to be child abuse/neglect/murder, and becomes "freedom of religion."
    When foolish examples fail to establish an actual religious context for the treatment of an acknowledged medical condition.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The right to "direct the moral and religious training of the child" does not include the right to neglect your child until they die.
    True dat. Problem is, however, the parents were not "neglecting" the child. Different treatment does not per se constitute neglect.

    Or will you crucify the physician when/if the child dies under the "conventional" treatment? By custom, doctors are allowed the luxury of burying their mistakes.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    I just don't know on this one. Both sides have good arguments. It is something maybe that needs to be looked at on a case to case basis?


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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I just don't know on this one. Both sides have good arguments. It is something maybe that needs to be looked at on a case to case basis?
    Ultimately, there is no other resolution. A parent may assert religious privilege....and be psychotic, rendering them legally incapable of either making reasonable assertion or acting as conservator of their child. A parent may assert religious privilege and be lying. A doctor may simply be a bigot. A doctor may simply be an incompetent. The disease may have high mortality with great pain and suffering.

    Medical care, and medical care of children especially, does not do well with "one size fits all" conclusions.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Say the kid will live six months without the treatment and twelve months with the treatment and the treatment will cause those twelve months to be a living hell for him.

    Should the parents have any say in which way it goes under these conditions?

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    Yes. Even the judge in this case determined that if the doctors concluded that the cancer had progressed beyond the stage where chemotherapy would be effective at fighting it, he would not order it.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I just don't know on this one. Both sides have good arguments. It is something maybe that needs to be looked at on a case to case basis?
    Which is exactly what the policy is. In this case, the judge ruled that the parents cannot make a decision that clearly and obviously endangers their child's life

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    When foolish examples fail to establish an actual religious context for the treatment of an acknowledged medical condition.
    What do you mean? What is your basis for determining what is an "actual religious context" and what isn't? The number of adherents? How much you personally agree with their religious beliefs?

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    In Texas, at least, the law does not agree with you.

    153.074 of the Family Code grants a parent the right to, among other things:the right to direct the moral and religious training of the child.
    Direct, or lead, or guide, but not to force it down their throats until it kills them.....
    I have seen several instances where a god fanatic father has forced his religion on his kids, and in nearly all cases, the kids grow up and leave the church. The Christian God does not allow us to harm, or allow harm to, our children on the basis of our beliefs. Jesus said so.....
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