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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    No. Parents have no right to allow their children to die when they are able to prevent it. That is, at best, child neglect. However, if this kid was, say, 16 instead of 13, I would be more inclined to respect HIS wishes on the matter.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    I think it should be the parents decision. They have to weigh personal and spiritual beliefs, the quality of the child's life after the treatment, and any other circumstances that might be involved.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    Parents dont own their children they are responsible for them.Childrens decisions on medical issues are made by the state not their parents.
    The state has no right to second guess the parent in such matters. As an operation of law, the 9th and 10th Amendments stand solidly against such a position, in addition to the 1st Amendment in this particular case.

    As a matter of practice, parents authorize medical treatments for their children, not the state.

    Unless we are prepared to surrender parental authority and parental prerogative to the state, yours is an indefensible position.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The state has no right to second guess the parent in such matters. As an operation of law, the 9th and 10th Amendments stand solidly against such a position, in addition to the 1st Amendment in this particular case.

    As a matter of practice, parents authorize medical treatments for their children, not the state.

    Unless we are prepared to surrender parental authority and parental prerogative to the state, yours is an indefensible position.
    If the parents had a religious belief that their child was the Antichrist and the only way to prevent him from being reborn was to starve him to death over the course of three weeks, would the state have any cause to intervene? I'm hard-pressed to see any distinction at all between the two cases.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Our current system works fine. This is the first time I can recall hearing about the government forcing treatment, and it's a pretty exceptional circumstance. In exceptional circumstances such as this one I am absolutely fine with the judge's decision.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If the parents had a religious belief that their child was the Antichrist and the only way to prevent him from being reborn was to starve him to death over the course of three weeks, would the state have any cause to intervene? I'm hard-pressed to see any distinction at all between the two cases.
    Then look again. Your hypothetical is totally off point.

    This child's parents are making a decision to pursue an alternate path of care predicated on certain religious convictions of theirs. Your hypothetical parents are affirmatively seeking to end their child's life.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The state has no right to second guess the parent in such matters.
    Of course it does. This isn't a new scenario.
    Parents have been tried and convicted of withholding medical treatment from their children for stupid religious beliefs.

    Last Easter Sunday, an 11-year-old Wisconsin girl died of untreated diabetes after her parents chose to pray for her recovery rather than seek medical help. Madeline Kara Neumann's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, are scheduled to be arraigned in Marathon County next week on charges of second-degree reckless homicide.

    The Wisconsin case is only the latest in a grim procession of hundreds of such cases stretching back to the late 1800s in England, when a sect called the Peculiar People ended up on trial for allowing generations of children to die as a result of their decision to spurn doctors and medicine.

    Few realize just how common the use of faith healing still is in our state and elsewhere, and how many children's lives are at stake. Except for the by-now predictable flurries of media attention every time another child dies due to what experts call religion-based medical neglect, there has been surprisingly scant attention paid to the accumulative toll of these deaths. That is one reason UW history instructor and author Shawn Francis Peters decided a couple of years ago to research the controversial topic.

    "When Prayer Fails: Faith Healing, Children, and the Law" is the first book to look unflinchingly at the tragic cases of children who have died because their parents place absolute faith in the power of prayer rather than in the efficacy of modern medicine. The book, published this spring by Oxford University Press, came out just weeks before Kara -- as she was called -- died in Weston, propelling Peters into the national spotlight.
    Healing or homicide? The use of prayer to treat sick children

    Diabetes! DIABETES!!! Can you think of an easier medical condition to treat? This is so irresponsible I can't believe anybody would defend an adult parent who would do this.

    Parents who do this should be eligible for the death penalty themselves!

    There are plenty of other examples of this ignorant behavior.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Parents have been tried and convicted of withholding medical treatment from their children for stupid religious beliefs.
    Yes they have. The state has been in the wrong each and every time.

    On a side note....religious beliefs are never "stupid." Those who argue otherwise are themselves wrong, each and every time.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Then look again. Your hypothetical is totally off point.

    This child's parents are making a decision to pursue an alternate path of care predicated on certain religious convictions of theirs. Your hypothetical parents are affirmatively seeking to end their child's life.
    OK, well what if they believed that their child was the Antichrist, and instead of feeding him hot dogs they were going to feed him arsenic, to purge the devil from his body. Just an alternate path of care.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Yes they have. The state has been in the wrong each and every time.

    On a side note....religious beliefs are never "stupid." Those who argue otherwise are themselves wrong, each and every time.
    Regardless of whether or not they're "stupid," when they encourage you to abuse or neglect your child they become criminal. As they should. Freedom of religion does not give parents the right to abuse or neglect their children, any more than I have a right to kill random people and claim Jesus told me to do it.
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