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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    These parents obviously aren't making unbiased, accurate decisions. So I'll trust the people who have the medical degrees.
    True, but at least parents have a larger right to make biased decisions on behalf of their children.

    What it comes down to to me is a matter of trust. I do not trust the government enough to want to give them the ability to take away a parents rights except in the most clear cut cases. Since the sure quantity of different possible scenarios involving medical treatment is vast, you have to make general rules, which leaves large room for poor interpretations.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The fact that you are DEFENDING quackery is obviously clouding your judgment on this issue. That goes above and beyond the normal libertarian rhetoric that "The government doesn't have the right to ever interfere with parents under any circumstances." I'm telling you now: Defending quack medicine is not an argument that you are going to win. I suggest you take a different tack to explain why you don't think the state should interfere. Just some advice, do with it what you will.
    What I am defending is the right of the parents to choose which courses of treatment they will pursue for their child.

    As to whether I will win an argument or not is one more thing on that growing list of things you do not know.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    In general, the government should not interfere with a parent's decision regarding their child's medical treatment. If parental choice is questionable in cases like this one, an assessment of the child's cognitive development should be made to ensure he or she understands the implications of refusing treatment. If he or she is competent to make that choice, it should be respected.

    In this particular case, there are too many unanswered questions and I believe it was right for the court to intervene.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    True, but at least parents have a larger right to make biased decisions on behalf of their children.
    Parents don't have any right to make such decisions when their actions could kill their child.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress
    What it comes down to to me is a matter of trust. I do not trust the government enough to want to give them the ability to take away a parents rights except in the most clear cut cases.
    You have a clear-cut choice between chemotherapy and pseudoscience. One will probably help the child, the other certainly will not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress
    Since the sure quantity of different possible scenarios involving medical treatment is vast, you have to make general rules, which leaves large room for poor interpretations.
    OK, here's my suggestion for a general rule: If Child Protection Services investigates a case and determines that the parents' refusal to provide medical treatment for their child is a danger to his life, they go before a judge. They get a panel of three doctors to independently examine the merits of the case. If they all unanimously agree that the parents are wrong and the child needs a certain medical treatment, then the child is forced to undergo the procedure. And if the child is at least 16, he may refuse the treatment on his own accord...but under no circumstance will parents ever be allowed to make the decision to let their child die if a viable life-saving treatment exists, unless the child is comatose with no hope of recovery.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You have a clear-cut choice between chemotherapy and pseudoscience. One will probably help the child, the other certainly will not.
    The word I consider key is bolded. If it is not sure, it's probably best to let parents make the decision.

    All this is tough stuff, and I am not even 100 % comfortable with my answers here. With that said, I am also far from comfortable letting the government get involved in medical decision. I think there are lines the government should not cross, even when at times the results are unpleasant.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    I don't know how anyone can make a parent do something that is or may be though of as purely experimental such as chemotherapy.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    While there are a multitude of incidents over the past couple years, here is a recent one about parents are refusing to allow chemotherapy on their kid and the kid appears to be ignorant of the situation.

    Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy

    The kid is pretty much a goner without the treatment.

    So, should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    [EDIT] Based on Etheral's insightful marks, assume at least for the discussion that the medical live saving treatment is medically sound and likely to save the child's life [/EDIT]
    The boy has a 90% chance of survival with chemo. What chance does he have with a bunch of loonys praying for him? These parents are forcing their religious beliefs on their child. Yes, he should be made to undergo chemo for his cancer.

    However, if he had suffered with cancer for a long period of time, and nothing had worked, he could be allowed to go home. But not in this case.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    What I am defending is the right of the parents to choose which courses of treatment they will pursue for their child.
    They may as well just kill the child right now, he is screwed with so called 'natural remedies'. The parents, if they had won, would basically have won the right to murder their own son.

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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Terry Schiavo was not a child whose parents were killing her by denying her food (or medical treatment). She was a braindead woman with no hope of recovery whose husband had the legal right to make that decision for her. If the kid in this case was already braindead and his parents wanted to remove the feeding tube, I would absolutely support their rights to make that decision without the state interfering. But he is NOT braindead and he CAN possibly recover with chemo. Nice try though.

    Do you think parents should be able to deny their child food because Jesus told them to? Do you think parents should be able to deny their child life-saving medical care because Jesus told them to?
    Well, if one of my children were in Terry Schiavo's place, I would order a re-evaluation using the current methids and definitions. This was not don with Terry, and she was able to comunicate. That's hardly what this humble capenter considers "brain dead".

    I can't think of any other occasion where 'the left' was perfectly comfortable asserting outdated information and medical definitions which were not supported by the medical community as the Terry Schiavo case; but I digress.

    Terry Schiavo was not suffering a terminal illness, she could still be alive today comunicating with people now as she was then, so I suppose she isn't a proper example.

    Even if my child were brain dead, days of starvation is not what I think of when I consider taking somone off life support. I picture a doctor flipping a switch and turning off some equiptment, and the bodey dies imediatly or within a couple houres.

    I empithise compleatly with your feelings on the issue, however I personaly don't want the governement to have any say choosing medical treatment unles it has a compelling reason to do so.
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    Re: Should parents be allowed to refuse life saving treatment for their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    These parents obviously aren't making unbiased, accurate decisions. So I'll trust the people who have the medical degrees.
    It's not even your place to trust or not trust as they aren't your children.
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