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    Re: Psychedelics and Spirituality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I've personally had spiritual experiences with psychedelics in the sense that I lost my sense of self, or should I say the sense that I am distinct from the universe.

    I felt one with every person, life form, and planet in the universe; I felt that death was acceptible because the notion that I am distinct from you is an illusion; a necessary one.
    I can say that in the psychedelic experience there was a greater sense of the physical unity of people. I found a closeness through the touch and visual experiences of others. It seemed as if and times one could melt together with their partner. My longtime life partner and I had some amazing sexual journey's while tripping. Long long ago in a garden far from here when I was young and spry.
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    Re: Psychedelics and Spirituality?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    LOL at the fact there are people here who call others who achieve spirituality through religion "delusional", but supposedly achieved it through an acid trip.
    Are there people in here who have claimed such a thing?
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    Re: Psychedelics and Spirituality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I've personally had spiritual experiences with psychedelics in the sense that I lost my sense of self, or should I say the sense that I am distinct from the universe.

    I felt one with every person, life form, and planet in the universe; I felt that death was acceptible because the notion that I am distinct from you is an illusion; a necessary one.
    Yes, ego-death is a very powerful experience.
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    Re: Psychedelics and Spirituality?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    LOL at the fact there are people here who call others who achieve spirituality through religion "delusional", but supposedly achieved it through an acid trip.
    There was actually a study that examined the spiritual experience of both church goers and psychedelic users. Not only did they determine that the self described spiritual experiences were so similar that it would not be a stretch to call them exactly the same, but that the psychedelic users were far more likely to experience them over the church goers.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib
    Yes, ego-death is a very powerful experience.
    What if you don't have much of an ego to begin with? I would consider myself a real self-less person. I do plan on using psychedelics for spiritual purposes in the distant future, the idea has fascinated me for quite some time.

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    Re: Psychedelics and Spirituality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post

    When you say spiritual experience what are you using for your point of reference?

    I would say, without ego, without self reference, just experiencing yourself and others and being absolutely in the now.

    I got that from LSD. The first lot I had though had speed and all sorts of other things in it and was not at all good but still had this feeling of lack of ego.

    Later I used smaller amounts of clinical LSD and found the experiences very spiritual as I have described.

    Before LSD became illegal it was given to some US alcoholics for treatment to try to get them in touch with their spirituality.

    These experiences are of course completely possible without LSD but require a bit more work!
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    Re: Psychedelics and Spirituality?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I would say, without ego, without self reference, just experiencing yourself and others and being absolutely in the now.

    I got that from LSD. The first lot I had though had speed and all sorts of other things in it and was not at all good but still had this feeling of lack of ego.

    Later I used smaller amounts of clinical LSD and found the experiences very spiritual as I have described.

    Before LSD became illegal it was given to some US alcoholics for treatment to try to get them in touch with their spirituality.

    These experiences are of course completely possible without LSD but require a bit more work!

    I found for the me the less speed that was involved the better. There was for a time something that was called spell. It was a hallucinogenic downer almost. It was awesome. I haven't seen nor heard of that no in 35 years.
    We actually used to make our own. My bad.

    That was some of the best we ever did. I never saw any of it as spiritual in the sense that I think the Op is. I did find it expanding though in many ways.
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    Re: Psychedelics and Spirituality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I found for the me the less speed that was involved the better. There was for a time something that was called spell. It was a hallucinogenic downer almost. It was awesome. I haven't seen nor heard of that no in 35 years.
    We actually used to make our own. My bad.

    That was some of the best we ever did. I never saw any of it as spiritual in the sense that I think the Op is. I did find it expanding though in many ways.
    Yes, well we will take into the experience ourselves anyway. If you never think of things with the terms of spirituality, probably you also wouldn't when tripping but the mind expansion is where I think most people think of it as related to the spiritual.

    Your posts though reminded me of some of the other benefits as well - colour being totally amazing and sexual experiences being particularly good.

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    Re: Psychedelics and Spirituality?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Yes, well we will take into the experience ourselves anyway. If you never think of things with the terms of spirituality, probably you also wouldn't when tripping but the mind expansion is where I think most people think of it as related to the spiritual.

    Your posts though reminded me of some of the other benefits as well - colour being totally amazing and sexual experiences being particularly good.
    The sexual experience were like nothing I have experienced since. Though i am still with Alice my same partner. It was as if we melted together there was an uncommon feeling of closeness. Her touches were well they just were. It was like I was so sensitized to her hands. I could feel her fingerprints it seemed.
    Color and sound for me more color. I could see colors in smells. If i smelled grape i could see purple. Wow. It was awesome in many ways. To old and too unhealthy to try that again. But yes i would in a heartbeat if not so dangerous.
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