View Poll Results: Does religion affect your vote?

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  • It is my main focus.

    1 1.49%
  • It is not the main focus but important.

    6 8.96%
  • It has some influence.

    7 10.45%
  • I mildly consider it.

    4 5.97%
  • I don't really care.

    19 28.36%
  • I think they spend to much time on this topic.

    10 14.93%
  • It is a distraction to me.

    4 5.97%
  • I wish the candidates were atheists.

    16 23.88%
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    Re: Does religion affect your vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm not sure what you're asking...my religion or the candidate's religion?

    If the candidate's religion doesn't render his outlook on policey to alien from my own, then I don't have an issue with it.

    That being said, I will never support an atheist.
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    Re: Does religion affect your vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's just the thing: it does.

    Atheists don't share a common understanding of the Natual Law premis because they reject the source of all rights. Since the source is rejected, the existance of the rights themselves falls into question.
    You base this on the idea that you are correct in what you believe and that those atheists are wrong. There is very little evidence that can be substantiated that a god does indeed exist. The major proof of him/her/it is in a book that said god had a hand in writing.
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    Re: Does religion affect your vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's just the thing: it does.

    Atheists don't share a common understanding of the Natual Law premis because they reject the source of all rights. Since the source is rejected, the existance of the rights themselves falls into question.
    Are you saying that because a person is an atheist they are immoral?
    I don't agree with that. It seems to me that this is my own opinion mind you that those that are religious believe themselves to be mre moral and are in fact less in my view.
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    Re: Does religion affect your vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    You base this on the idea that you are correct in what you believe and that those atheists are wrong. There is very little evidence that can be substantiated that a god does indeed exist. The major proof of him/her/it is in a book that said god had a hand in writing.
    The idea is that nobody is correct, not even one, justone, but only the Creator which makes garantees the rights to be Inalianable.
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    Re: Does religion affect your vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    You base this on the idea that you are correct in what you believe and that those atheists are wrong.
    Atheists fundimentaly reject the premis of the DoA and thus the Natural Law premis the Constitution is based on. That's not opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    There is very little evidence that can be substantiated that a god does indeed exist.
    Exactly my point.

    You are looking for evidence which can lead you to a conclusion.

    Don't.

    God is a premis supposed, not a conclusion supported. Inalianable rights are the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    The major proof of him/her/it is in a book that said god had a hand in writing.
    Well mabey for you, but this Christain never found God in the bible.

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    Re: Does religion affect your vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    Are you saying that because a person is an atheist they are immoral?
    I don't agree with that. It seems to me that this is my own opinion mind you that those that are religious believe themselves to be mre moral and are in fact less in my view.
    I'm saying the Constitution is not capable of dealing with godless people.

    They can be moral, but they are generaly incompadable with US law.

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    Re: Does religion affect your vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    The idea is that nobody is correct, not even one, justone.
    Oh we aren't. If nobody is correct then you are saying there is no god or you believe in that falsely. I am not sure what you are saying and don't want to put words in your mouth.
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    Re: Does religion affect your vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    Oh we aren't. If nobody is correct then you are saying there is no god or you believe in that falsely. I am not sure what you are saying and don't want to put words in your mouth.
    That is to make co-existence of corrects, incoreects, more corrects or less corrects possible there has to be an entity which, proven or not proven to exist, has to be presumed to be absolutely correct. Unfortunately for atheists it is self evident that the entity which can possibly be presumed, proven or not proven to exist, to be absolutely correct in the Nature can be only the Creator of the Nature, the One godly people believe in and godless people deny. Removing the Creator from the equation leaves you vulnerable as with my training in logic and boxing I will always prove that I am more correct than you are. Thus God acts as your only protector and the only guarantee of your rights.

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    Re: Does religion affect your vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I haven't seen it yet.
    Inexperience does not negate possibility. All people's experiences are naturally limited by various factors.

    The conclusion: I will never support an atheist

    This must be dependent on a series of premises, some of which are false:

    Premise One: Every atheist I've encountered had an outlook on policy that was alien from my own (True premise)

    Premise two: If I have never encountered something, it cannot exist (false premise)

    Premise three: I will never support a politician who's outlook on policy is alien from my own (true premise)

    Conclusion: I will never suppor tan athiest because all atheists have an outlook on policy that is alien from my own.

    Since premise two is false, the conclusion is invalid.

    Had you said: I doubt I will ever support an atheist.

    It adjusts the false premise to "If I have never encountered something, I will doubt that it exists" and validates the logic.

    And then you would have a logical conclusion.

    What you have done with your first statement is fall prey to exactly the same flawed premise that many atheists use when they argue that God does not exist.

    Adjusting the premise and conclusion to convey that it is doubt, instead of a unequivocal statement fixes that logical error.

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    Re: Does religion affect your vote?

    Who is this Testiculees dude, who's been a member since 2007 with zero posts?
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