View Poll Results: Drug War stance.

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  • Amp up the Drug War.

    1 2.38%
  • Demand/Harm reduction.

    1 2.38%
  • Legalize marijuana/soft drugs.

    7 16.67%
  • Decriminalization.

    4 9.52%
  • Full Legalization.

    27 64.29%
  • Medical Marijuana.

    0 0%
  • Other.

    2 4.76%
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Thread: The Drug War.

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    Re: The Drug War.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, but scientists are really smart, I'm sure they would be able to make something well more addictive than nicotine.
    Sounds like Soma from Brave New World. I doubt that people will try it when they see their peers succumbing to it. The same reason while 95% of the population is not going to go out and try meth, crack and heroin the day it become legal, they know the dangers of it and will stay away from it, I sure as hell know that the laws have no effect on what drugs I do or do not do.
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    Re: The Drug War.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau View Post
    I doubt that people will try it when they see their peers succumbing to it.
    I think that you just underestimated the stupidity of a good chunk of our population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think that you just underestimated the stupidity of a good chunk of our population.
    No, empirical evidence says otherwise. Like I said, Tobacco is the most addictive drug, and it is legal for those 18 and older. Yet tobacco use in this country decreases to the lowest level on record each and every year. This is because of education and the fact that smelling like burnt popcorn and ammonia is not seen as cool or sexy any more.

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    Re: The Drug War.

    I have a hard time with this issue. Part of me thinks that prohibition does not work well, and it's alot of money spent futilely. Another part of me remembers what I was like before I learned to, as Nancy Reagan put it, "just say no to drugs", and how subtly assiduous the problems where, and think that even if the money spent is inefficient to the job, it's better than giving up.

    I think overall, that at the current time, I just see no overwhelming reason to significantly change our drug policy.

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    Re: The Drug War.

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Part of me says "full legalization". The other part of me remembers the time in college I decided to drive while I was high, and stopped to let a pinecone cross the road because I thought it was a hedgehog.


    Nice one...

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    Re: The Drug War.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau
    ...the proliferation of hard drugs that otherwise were not popular pre-drug war (Meth, crack, cocaine)...
    I would like to go more into detail with this one. It is argued that the widespread use of cocaine of the 1970s directly correlated with the clampdown on pharmaceutical stimulants used in the 1960s, the clampdown on cocaine imported in the 1980s resulted in the production of crack, the resulting clampdown on crack in the same era, resulted in the meth production of the 1990s that we see today.
    Last edited by Thoreau; 05-14-09 at 07:23 PM.

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    Re: The Drug War.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have a hard time with this issue. Part of me thinks that prohibition does not work well, and it's alot of money spent futilely. Another part of me remembers what I was like before I learned to, as Nancy Reagan put it, "just say no to drugs", and how subtly assiduous the problems where, and think that even if the money spent is inefficient to the job, it's better than giving up.

    I think overall, that at the current time, I just see no overwhelming reason to significantly change our drug policy.
    Removing the legal penalties for drug use doesn't mean giving up on discouraging and minimizing their use. Laws aren't required to effectively discourage drug use. We should continue to have programs like "just say no" and "look what happened to this addict" while doing away with programs like "get tough" and "zero tolerance."
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    Re: The Drug War.

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Laws aren't required to effectively discourage drug use. We should continue to have programs like "just say no" and "look what happened to this addict" while doing away with programs like "get tough" and "zero tolerance."
    I understand exactly what you are saying, and by no means do I entirely disagree. My idea is just that, to me, things do not rise to the level I think is needed to change the status quo. Drug policy in the country is not ideal, but I fear that twiddling with it won't help, and could hurt.

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    Re: The Drug War.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I understand exactly what you are saying, and by no means do I entirely disagree. My idea is just that, to me, things do not rise to the level I think is needed to change the status quo. Drug policy in the country is not ideal, but I fear that twiddling with it won't help, and could hurt.
    I posted an lengthy response to your post that got deleted some how.

    What about the unintended consequences that can be attributed to the Drug War inflating the price of drugs? Such as violence in Mexico (over 5,000 cartel related murders a year), at least 90% of all gang activity, the funding of terror groups and regimes, and other social costs that permeate our country?

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    Re: The Drug War.

    I see no reason not to make them all legal.
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