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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if an Iraqi used torture to save a life?

    If someone takes a US Soldier and tortures them, we should find that person and kill them.

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if an Iraqi used torture to save a life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about, but I would dare speculate that something can be a war crime and not torture.
    One of the practices by which we convicted the Japanese for after WW II was waterboarding. It was considered wrong for them to have to do it, and it was something by which we could properly punish them for. It was considered torture, and thus included as such under the war crimes brought against the Japanese government. Has waterboarding changed? Or were we wrong to have prosecuted the Japanese for it?
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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if an Iraqi used torture to save a life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    One of the practices by which we convicted the Japanese for after WW II was waterboarding. It was considered wrong for them to have to do it, and it was something by which we could properly punish them for. It was considered torture, and thus included as such under the war crimes brought against the Japanese government. Has waterboarding changed? Or were we wrong to have prosecuted the Japanese for it?
    So far I don't know that this even happened. I have only your say-so and since you called SCOTUS decision "usless philociphy" on another thread there isn't much credability behind your word.

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if an Iraqi used torture to save a life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about, but I would dare speculate that something can be a war crime and not torture.
    Tokyo Trials.

    And yes, waterboarding is illegal. And is torture, no matter how much you want to change the definition of law, its still the law.

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if an Iraqi used torture to save a life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    One of the practices by which we convicted the Japanese for after WW II was waterboarding. It was considered wrong for them to have to do it, and it was something by which we could properly punish them for. It was considered torture, and thus included as such under the war crimes brought against the Japanese government. Has waterboarding changed? Or were we wrong to have prosecuted the Japanese for it?
    Ikari,

    He knows all that. I suspect he even agrees with it. But, he can't give even an inch or his team would crucify him. Jerry likes to act dumb (act?) to frustrate those who oppose his opinion to the point that they give up.

    Ain't happening, tho.

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if an Iraqi used torture to save a life?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeTh!nk3r View Post
    Tokyo Trials.

    And yes, waterboarding is illegal. And is torture, no matter how much you want to change the definition of law, its still the law.
    I like how you project assumptions into what I said with your responce as though I actualy hold those views. Nice.

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if an Iraqi used torture to save a life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I like how you project assumptions into what I said with your responce as though I actualy hold those views. Nice.
    I can't tell, your exact words were:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Waterboarding isn't tourture, even when it's a US soldier being waterboarded.
    By that statement alone there is not way you could uphold the position that waterboard is torture, and is illegal. Not to mention the fact we killed folks for doing the very same thing.

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if an Iraqi used torture to save a life?

    On the subject of the tread, is the question if the people for torture also think it's ok that foreigners torture americans. Their can be many diffrent situation, their foreigners can compare it to torture terrorist suspect.

    For example if an american is accused of sexual abuse young children, should he be torture so the brothel can be find and the children saved? Narcotic trade posses a national threath in many countries because of the violence and corruption it's leads to so should american suspected of trading with drugs and to know drug lords be tortured? You can also see at mexico their the drug war is destabilize the entire country and more people have been killed in the war then it did during 9/11, so should an american suspected of trading guns and also to know the drug lord, be tortured for information?

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if an Iraqi used torture to save a life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    On the subject of the tread, is the question if the people for torture also think it's ok that foreigners torture americans. Their can be many diffrent situation, their foreigners can compare it to torture terrorist suspect.

    For example if an american is accused of sexual abuse young children, should he be torture so the brothel can be find and the children saved? Narcotic trade posses a national threath in many countries because of the violence and corruption it's leads to so should american suspected of trading with drugs and to know drug lords be tortured? You can also see at mexico their the drug war is destabilize the entire country and more people have been killed in the war then it did during 9/11, so should an american suspected of trading guns and also to know the drug lord, be tortured for information?
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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if an Iraqi used torture to save a life?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeTh!nk3r View Post
    By that statement alone there is not way you could uphold the position that waterboard is torture, and is illegal.
    I would have penned a humble conession to the point and stood corected for all to see, but the post giving the corection was also insulting, and I don't bow to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeTh!nk3r View Post
    Not to mention the fact we killed folks for doing the very same thing.
    Do you mean trops storming in and shooting or do you mean a death sentence handed down by a court?

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