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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I'll be dead one day, no matter what. I've lived a good, honorable life and have done nothing to be ashamed of. When it's my time, I'll go without regrets.
    I wonder, would you be willing to apply this noble principle to others who covet their lives more than yourself? What about your family members? Should they become causalities of your fake nobility?

    Yes. I believe in the rule of law. Without it, we are no better than those who would do us harm. If I die because our nation was honorable and actually adhered to that rule of law by not torturing people they think might maybe know something, so be it. I'm not really all that important in the grand scheme of things, and neither are you.
    Oh yes, "the grand scheme of things", whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. Nice catch-phrase, but not particularly meaningful. I know you're just talking out of your ass right now, as most people with a cavalier view of death do.

    You'll talk all day about sacrificing your life for this and that, and you'll extol "principles" and "morals", but when it comes down to it and death is staring you in the face you will realize, like all humans do, that you cherish your life above all else and that you'll cast aside anything standing between you and existence.

    You live in a fantasy world, one where your "morals" will protect you and your family from harm. The only thing which protects you and affords you such a cavalier attitude towards death are the people who actually risk their lives, instead of just blabbing about it on an internet forum. Sometimes they need to get dirty, and sometimes the lines are blurred, but it's easy for your to condemn them, sitting from the comfort of you computer.

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The rights of MY enemies:

    1. They have the right to swing first; this gives me the right to kill them.
    2. They have the right to bleed all over creation.
    3. They have the right to die.
    4. They have the right to have a priest, rabbi, or imam present during the smackdown and to administer appropriate funerary rites. If they do not have a priest, rabbi, or imam, I will be happy to obtain one for their funeral at no expense to their family.

    Those are the rights of MY enemies.
    And celticlord, your enemies believe the same of you.

    IF you choose to lower yourself to their level by engaging in acts of torture, how are you any better than they? The answer is you are not. You are the same.
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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Precisely. From their moral center such things are permissible and even glorious. All you've done is define a different moral center. You've not established that one moral center is intrinsically superior to another.

    In other words, you're a bigot. Noted.
    I think I'm better than a torturer as I am better than a rapist. If you call this bigotry then I wear the badge of honor proudly.

    I have no need to prove the superiority of my morality, just as I have no need to prove that freedom is superior to slavery. These are subjective political opinions.

    "If a man dies fighting for his own freedom, it is not a sacrifice: he is not willing to live as a slave; but it is a sacrifice to the kind of man who's willing."

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    What bin Laden wants is for us to roll over and die.
    And he cannot accomplish this. Since he cannot destroy us physically, he wants us to destroy ourselves, economically in war, and politically in fear.

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    You would be well advised to study more on those "founding principles". They are not so altruistic nor so lacking in stomach as you are wont to believe.
    Spare me your advise, I care not for altruism and can stomach much. I too prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The rights of MY enemies:

    1. They have the right to swing first; this gives me the right to kill them.
    2. They have the right to bleed all over creation.
    3. They have the right to die.
    4. They have the right to have a priest, rabbi, or imam present during the smackdown and to administer appropriate funerary rites. If they do not have a priest, rabbi, or imam, I will be happy to obtain one for their funeral at no expense to their family.

    Those are the rights of MY enemies.
    Your disregard for civil rights, or human rights is noted. So if your enemy is an American, these are their rights? Its interesting how similar your position is to that of the enemy, you truly are on their level; and beneath me.
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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Glinda,

    Terrorist have two rights. They have the right to stop being terrorist and find other ways of bringing about whatever change they seek.

    And they have a right to suffer any and all forms of pain and anguish for their behavior in the course fighting terrorist.

    It's not a hard choice for me. Life > Terrorist.

    It's really that easy.
    So you say that the law against torturing captives be damned, that you'd do whatever you felt like doing no matter what?

    So by that standard, you must believe it is ok for our enemies to engage in the torture of our POWs in their captivity as well. Or do you apply a different standard in that case?
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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheStripey1 View Post
    And celticlord, your enemies believe the same of you.
    That's absolutely untrue. Our enemies believe in the first strike. Our enemies believe in the murder of innocents. Our enemy is the initiator of violence and the slayer of non-combatants.

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I wonder, would you be willing to apply this noble principle to others who covet their lives more than yourself? What about your family members? Should they become causalities of your fake nobility?
    Whoa there. Hold the hell on a minute there. Who are you to suggest that some one is in some way fake with no evidence whatsoever. You may disagree with some ones set of ethics, but to call them fake because you don't like them is incredibly low and vile.

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Celticlord, can I ask if you are now or have served in the military?

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That's absolutely untrue. Our enemies believe in the first strike. Our enemies believe in the murder of innocents. Our enemy is the initiator of violence and the slayer of non-combatants.
    Sorry charlie, if you think we haven't killed innocent civilians in wars throughout our short history, you must have been asleep in history class.
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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Whoa there. Hold the hell on a minute there. Who are you to suggest that some one is in some way fake with no evidence whatsoever. You may disagree with some ones set of ethics, but to call them fake because you don't like them is incredibly low and vile.
    When death is staring us in the face there are very few thing in life which will fortify our spirit and strengthen our resolve. Sparing a terrorist the discomfort of water-boarding is not one of those things. Anyone who says otherwise has never faced their mortality.

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheStripey1 View Post
    Sorry charlie, if you think we haven't killed innocent civilians in wars throughout our short history, you must have been asleep in history class.
    I didn't say that. I was speaking contemporarily of intent and policy. Presently, it is the avowed policy of the United States military to limit collateral damage if at all possible. You will hear no such assurances from the enemy, in fact, their policy is entirely the opposite; they purposely target non-combatants - we do not.

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