View Poll Results: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

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  • No, they did what needed to be done.

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Then the law needs to be written so as to congratulate torturers who save lives...particularly mine and doubly so for my family's lives.

    Anything less would be a most foul injustice.
    We'll just modify the Good Sumaritan Law.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catman View Post
    I wonder if you realize how many enemies have been "tortured" to allow you to be a free thinker?
    I wonder if you know how many US soldiers chose to fight and die because they believe that we are the best country in the world. Don't you think it is kinda selfish to give up some of that "best" for a little personal security?

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yeah... okay.

    We play nice, and innocent people die, but you get to feel good knowing that we "kept our values". People like you get others killed.

    Terrorist rejected that "good loving family" ideal, and their cultural background doesn't equate with ours. German soldiers were forced to war. Terrorist VOLUNTEER.

    Big difference, but you ignored that.
    Prove it. The problem with your hypothetical is that it isn't necessarily rooted in reality.

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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    As for your hypothetical Z, it wouldn't take a vigilante to take care of some man that raped my daughter and society failed to bring them to justice, I can promise you that.
    Fine, would you call for your own prosecution as the only thing I can assume from your statement and dodge, deflection, and avoidance of my hypothetical is that you yourself would "Bring them to justice". In which case, different hypothetical if you prefer, would you call for your own prosecution? And, if not, do you think then that it should be completely legal for people to kill another person based on their own beliefs of an illegal act they performed even if they were found not guilty by a court of law?
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    Re: Would you call for prosecution if someone used torture to save your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    My point in all this, was to highlight the flaw of the torture debate.

    Torture is the inteintional infliction fo cruelty on another human being for no other reason then to inflict pain and agony on said person.

    There are circumstances where methods that are less desireable to be used, but shoudl remain an option if teh circumstance arises. I'm not calling for beating people just to "find out what they might know" or any other non-sense like that.


    The problem is, there are too many people who cannot fathom using force to save lives, and that mindset amazes the hell out of me.


    As for your hypothetical Z, it wouldn't take a vigilante to take care of some man that raped my daughter and society failed to bring them to justice, I can promise you that.
    Actually, what you did is expose the flaw in the absolute/black-or-white position. There is no absolute answer to this question. It depends on context. Also, one's morals, the legality of a situation, and one's behaviors/feelings are all separate entities. Trying to create an absolute consistency between them is silly; it does not exist in absolute terms.

    But as for Zyph's hypothetical, if you performed a vigilante act and murdered that person, do you believe that is an illegal act, based on our current laws?
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