View Poll Results: If you oppose same-sex marriage, are you...

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  • ... ignorant?

    9 19.57%
  • ... bigoted?

    9 19.57%
  • ... homophobic?

    9 19.57%
  • ... stupid (which differs from ignorant)?

    6 13.04%
  • ... unreasonable?

    11 23.91%
  • ... unenlightened?

    7 15.22%
  • ... (all of the above)

    8 17.39%
  • ... (all of the above, as well as [specify])

    1 2.17%
  • ... (none of the above)

    18 39.13%
  • ... (other)

    11 23.91%
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I pretty much see it the way P/N does.

    This does not mean I don't want homosexuals and lesbians to have the same protections under the law, or hate someone who is gay in any way.

    I have no problem with civil unions, but as I have said before I do not see it as a marriage.
    Precisely…

    IMO homosexuals should be afforded every right that heterosexuals are afforded under a civil union. Marriage is a tradition between men and women. Homosexuals should start there own tradition.

    Maybe instead of ‘married’, they could get ‘garried’ or ‘larried’ …

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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    The issue is as simple as this.

    Liberty is defined as the ability to live your life the way you choose to so long as your actions do not impede another individuals ability to do the same.

    This is largely based in the principle of self ownership. You own you, and thus you should be able to do what you want with you. However, you don't own others, thus you cannot force others to do what you want or use the state and its institutions to deny others a right or privilege that you enjoy.

    Basically in a free society, the government cannot be used as a vehicle to simply preserve cultural norms or promote religious ideals. The state is primarily used to protect the rights of the individual. Therefore, to deny gays and lesbians state recognized marriage, you have to demonstrate how granting them that privilege will impact the freedom of others. That cannot be reasonably done. Thus there is no reason in a free society to deny them that state recognition.
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I want to preserve my way of life in my country by my principles. It has nothing to do with wanting to hurt anyone.
    And how does allowing total strangers to marry other total strangers of the same sex take away from your way of life? As long as they aren't forcing you into a gay marriage, it doesn't.

    Furthermore, what exactly do you mean by your "way of life," and why is it desirable that the government protect it? Careful here.
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I understand you point of view and have respect for it. But when things like this come up; transference of property, trust funds, life insurance, hospital visitation rights, etc. there are legal issues that become an issue for the state. I know gay couples that have been in 30 + year relationships and they really worry about these things. They have bought houses together and one has been the bread winner while the other took care of the home. W/O the protection of marriage the tax liabilities on their home could possibly force the surviving partner out of their family home when one or the other passed away.
    I absolutely agree. They should have exactly the same protections under the law be it civil unions or anything else.

    This being the case; is it to much to ask to keep the sanctity of my marriage sacred?


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And how does other people marrying other people of the same sex take away from your way of life? As long as they aren't forcing you into a gay marriage, it doesn't.

    Furthermore, what exactly do you mean by your "way of life," and why is it desirable that the government protect it? Careful here.
    Read the post above.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I absolutely agree. They should have exactly the same protections under the law be it civil unions or anything else.

    This being the case; is it to much to ask to keep the sanctity of my marriage sacred?
    Its only too much to ask to use the state as a vehicle in doing so. In free societies you cannot use the state to impose religious or cultural views. That is the province of the church, and other private institutions.
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Its only too much to ask to use the state as a vehicle in doing so. In free societies you cannot use the state to impose religious or cultural views. That is the province of the church, and other private institutions.
    Could not agree more. This is why I want the state to get the heck out of the marriage business altogether.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I absolutely agree. They should have exactly the same protections under the law be it civil unions or anything else.

    This being the case; is it to much to ask to keep the sanctity of my marriage sacred?
    Is your marriage not inherently sacred to you? How does the actions of the state or other people make it any less sacred?
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I absolutely agree. They should have exactly the same protections under the law be it civil unions or anything else.
    As long as you have two parallel institutions, they will never truly be equal. Brown v Board of Education.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    This being the case; is it to much to ask to keep the sanctity of my marriage sacred?
    It's not the government's job to "sanctify" things or keep them "sacred." That is between you and whatever church you attend. If gay marriage is legalized, no church will be forced to perform them...so your marriage will be exactly as "sacred" in the eyes of your religion as it was before.
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Is your marriage not inherently sacred to you? How does the actions of the state or other people make it any less sacred?
    Yes, they cheapen it by merely being involved for reasons I explained above.


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