View Poll Results: If you oppose same-sex marriage, are you...

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    9 19.57%
  • ... bigoted?

    9 19.57%
  • ... homophobic?

    9 19.57%
  • ... stupid (which differs from ignorant)?

    6 13.04%
  • ... unreasonable?

    11 23.91%
  • ... unenlightened?

    7 15.22%
  • ... (all of the above)

    8 17.39%
  • ... (all of the above, as well as [specify])

    1 2.17%
  • ... (none of the above)

    18 39.13%
  • ... (other)

    11 23.91%
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Oh I see -- when they express their position against same-sex marriage, its different.

    Doesnt this mean you need to revise your assessment regarding those that hold an anti-gay marriage position?
    You can spin this all you want. The fact is, if you are against same sex marriage then by definition, you want your personal views imposed upon others in a totalitarian fashion. If gays and lesbians were able to marry in your state, it would not affect you at all. Thus, its a personal bias on your part that you want to be continued to be codified into law.
    Last edited by SouthernDemocrat; 05-14-09 at 01:09 PM.
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You can spin this all you want. The fact is, if you are against same sex marriage then by definition, you want your personal views imposed upon others in a totalitarian fashion. If gays and lesbians were able to marry in your state, it would not affect you at all. Thus, its a personal bias on your part.
    That is it in a nutshell. Thank you.
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You can spin this all you want. The fact is, if you are against same sex marriage then by definition, you want your personal views imposed upon others in a totalitarian fashion. If gays and lesbians were able to marry in your state, it would not affect you at all. Thus, its a personal bias on your part that you want to be continued to be codified into law.
    You mean "democratic"....because nearly every state who have had the ability to vote on the issue has voted against it.

    Let me save you a post or 2: yes, I want all of my views forced on thers against their will in a democratic fashion.
    Last edited by Jerry; 05-14-09 at 01:13 PM.

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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You mean "democratic"....because nearly every state who have had the ability to vote on the issue has voted against it.

    Let me save you a post or 2: yes, I want all of my views forced on thers against their will in a democratic fashion.
    What you are describing is a tyranny of the majority. Your rights in a free society primarily consist of negative rights. You do have some positive rights, however those positive rights only extend so far as to not impede another individual's rights and privileges.

    For example, in a free society, the fundamental basis of that freedom is that individuals own themselves. Thus, even if the majority of citizens in that society voted to institute slavery, that principle of self ownership would prevent that tyranny of the majority from being codified into law. Now thats an extreme example, but the same principle applies to marriage. The majority opinion on the issue is largely irrelevant unless they can reasonably demonstrate how allowing gays and lesbians legal marriage recognition impacts the freedom of others.

    Can you do so?
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    For example, in a free society, the fundamental basis of that freedom is that individuals own themselves. Thus, even if the majority of citizens in that society voted to institute slavery, that principle of self ownership would prevent that tyranny of the majority from being codified into law.
    The 13th amendment prohibits slavery, not the principle of self-ownership.
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    Welfare to help dependent children was a 100% good idea until the Black family broke down as a result of that good idea.

    Who woulda thunk it?

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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    What you are describing is a tyranny of the majority. Your rights in a free society primarily consist of negative rights. You do have some positive rights, however those positive rights only extend so far as to not impede another individual's rights and privileges.

    For example, in a free society, the fundamental basis of that freedom is that individuals own themselves. Thus, even if the majority of citizens in that society voted to institute slavery, that principle of self ownership would prevent that tyranny of the majority from being codified into law. Now thats an extreme example, but the same principle applies to marriage. The majority opinion on the issue is largely irrelevant unless they can reasonably demonstrate how allowing gays and lesbians legal marriage recognition impacts the freedom of others.

    Can you do so?
    No I can't and I don't claim to be able to either.

    Gay marriage falls apart for other reasons. The law requires that gay marriage be a deeply rooted in the history and traditions of the people inorder to be a fundimental right.

    It's not, therefore there is no mandate to allow it. Without this mandate neither I nor anyone else need to demonstrate how it would be harmfull and your entire argument falls asside.

    Since there is no mandate to permit gay marriage, gays need to demonstrate how gay marriage would better sociaty.

    Can you do so?

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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Welfare to help dependent children was a 100% good idea until the Black family broke down as a result of that good idea.

    Who woulda thunk it?
    So even when support was given in the name of helping children, the situation deteriorated because 'the family' was undermined in the process?

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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The majority opinion on the issue is largely irrelevant unless they can reasonably demonstrate how allowing gays and lesbians legal marriage recognition impacts the freedom of others.
    Can you do so?
    False premise - the majority need show no such thing.

    In today's system, a law is passed by the majority; the minority oppressed by that law must then show that their rights have been violated. The majority does not need to show that the existence of gay same-sex marriage hams anyone.

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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So even when support was given in the name of helping children, the situation deteriorated because 'the family' was undermined in the process?
    One stipulation for a family to recieve welfare was that able bodied men not be present in the household. But if racism helped keep able bodied Black men unemployed and unable to provide for their families the welfare stipulation made them leave the family.

    So now all we have are young Black men wanting to be REAL men by following their role models.

    Sex machines. Drug dealers. Pimps. Gangstas. Baby makers.

    Thanks to welfare.
    Last edited by bhkad; 05-14-09 at 01:41 PM.

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