View Poll Results: If you oppose same-sex marriage, are you...

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  • ... ignorant?

    9 19.57%
  • ... bigoted?

    9 19.57%
  • ... homophobic?

    9 19.57%
  • ... stupid (which differs from ignorant)?

    6 13.04%
  • ... unreasonable?

    11 23.91%
  • ... unenlightened?

    7 15.22%
  • ... (all of the above)

    8 17.39%
  • ... (all of the above, as well as [specify])

    1 2.17%
  • ... (none of the above)

    18 39.13%
  • ... (other)

    11 23.91%
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    To call yourself "open-minded" and then turn around and refuse to admit that good people can be misguided, that in fact you are above these people for being of the opposite point of view, it is not only hypocritical, it is morally outrageous.

    Many people in my family are against gay marriage and they are not homophobic, bigoted, unreasonable, or anything of the sort. In fact, their arguments happen to be very calm and well-reasoned, I just also happen to disagree with them.

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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    In reference to gay marriage. I mean that is what we are talking about.
    Ok anyway. Yes, people who use "religion and religious laws" as justification for their arguments are ignorant of the fact that others have different religions or no religion, or ignorant of the fact that people should be able to marry whoever they want regardless of the opinion of other religions.

    Leading into this is the fact that politicians who make LAWS against gay-marriage use this same twisted mentality of using religious evidence. Essentially, thousands of people are being denied a basic right because of teh religious opinions of politicians.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are cherry picking quotes to make it look like I said or meant something I did not.

    Sorry you assumed wrong.
    How am I cherry picking when I have a direct quote from Lachean with the very next reply being yours?

    He straight up asked you how the gov't and other people make it [marriage] any less sacred. And then you replied that "they cheapen it by merely being involved for reasons I explained above."

    How is that cherry picking? Do I need to define that phrase for you?

    Maybe your OWN posts are contradictory.
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How am I cherry picking when I have a direct quote from Lachean with the very next reply being yours?

    He straight up asked you how the gov't and other people make it [marriage] any less sacred. And then you replied that "they cheapen it by merely being involved for reasons I explained above."

    How is that cherry picking? Do I need to define that phrase for you?

    Maybe your OWN posts are contradictory.
    Not at all. You again assumed wrong. He knew what I was talking about, and so did everyone else involved but you.

    I was referring to government involvement and not the "others." Everyone else seemed to pick up on this but you.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not at all. You again assumed wrong. He knew what I was talking about, and so did everyone else involved but you.
    O'rly? Why did you respond yes when he included other people?

    I was referring to government involvement and not the "others." Everyone else seemed to pick up on this but you.
    Then why did you not say that then? Why did you reply to both government and other people as the same thing? Furthermore, why did you reply to Winston's posts about gays in that they threaten the sanctity of your marriage?

    Furthermore, Lachean thanked me for pointing out that you did in fact value marriage by what society says rather than by what your marriage means to you.

    Your own words betray you. It would be better for you to just admit that you misspoke rather than to try to defend this losing battle. I have your own words to prove that you did, at least at the point value marriage on what society says.
    Last edited by obvious Child; 05-13-09 at 09:33 PM.
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I do what I do here because its a place where I can let out all my opinions and try to prove people wrong. I like to argue, honestly, I think its fun and I like to try to prove a point.
    I understand that. What I am questioning is why this one issue generates so much more emotion than most others.

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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Ok anyway. Yes, people who use "religion and religious laws" as justification for their arguments are ignorant of the fact that others have different religions or no religion, or ignorant of the fact that people should be able to marry whoever they want regardless of the opinion of other religions.
    See that's just it. It has nothing to do with ignorance and that is not a good assumption. Don't you think for instance I know other religions etc have different rules? Do you really think people are that willfully stupid? Don't get me wrong I know some exist (the Phelps Family) but they are by and far a fringe minority.

    The opinion Christians hold is as valid as any other, and do not deserve to be called ignorant because they choose to follow what they feel is right. No matter how much you disagree. It is not based on ignorance. It is based on wanting to do what they feel (not you) is right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Leading into this is the fact that politicians who make LAWS against gay-marriage use this same twisted mentality of using religious evidence. Essentially, thousands of people are being denied a basic right because of teh religious opinions of politicians.
    Unfortunately the Jeffersonian in me does agree on this point.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I understand that. What I am questioning is why this one issue generates so much more emotion than most others.
    That's a good point. You never see so much discussion on many other topics.

    I think it is because we are slowly reaching a tipping point in the gay-rights movement. Maybe homosexuality in the 2000s is like race in the 50s and 60s; it'll just get so intense that something has to give and the movement breaks through.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    O'rly? Why did you respond yes when he included other people?
    I don't know, could be I was responding to multiple people.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Then why did you not say that then?
    Because he knew what I was talking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Why did you reply to both government and other people as the same thing? Furthermore, why did you reply to Winston's posts about gays in that they threaten the sanctity of your marriage?
    I was responding to more than one post and again outside of you, everyone knew what I was talking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Furthermore, Lachean thanked me for pointing out that you did in fact value marriage by what society says rather than by what your marriage means to you.
    In all honesty he would have thanked you if you said Gay marriage is the shiznit at that point.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Your own words betray you. It would be better for you to just admit that you misspoke rather than to try to defend this losing battle. I have your own words to prove that you did, at least at the point value marriage on what society says.
    You are the only one who did not understand what I meant. Think about that for a second.

    PS here is my first quote above that coment...

    "Could not agree more. This is why I want the state to get the heck out of the marriage business altogether." - Blackdog

    Sorry man, you are way off.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 05-13-09 at 09:52 PM.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    That's a good point. You never see so much discussion on many other topics.

    I think it is because we are slowly reaching a tipping point in the gay-rights movement. Maybe homosexuality in the 2000s is like race in the 50s and 60s; it'll just get so intense that something has to give and the movement breaks through.
    The movement is going to break through irregardless. Polling shows that younger people support gay marriage overwhelmingly. It's just a matter of time.

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