View Poll Results: If you oppose same-sex marriage, are you...

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  • ... ignorant?

    9 19.57%
  • ... bigoted?

    9 19.57%
  • ... homophobic?

    9 19.57%
  • ... stupid (which differs from ignorant)?

    6 13.04%
  • ... unreasonable?

    11 23.91%
  • ... unenlightened?

    7 15.22%
  • ... (all of the above)

    8 17.39%
  • ... (all of the above, as well as [specify])

    1 2.17%
  • ... (none of the above)

    18 39.13%
  • ... (other)

    11 23.91%
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Could not agree more. This is why I want the state to get the heck out of the marriage business altogether.
    The problem with removing state recognition of marriage altogether is that you create a host of legal issues as it relates to custody of children, property, and medical issues (such as speaking for a person in they are incapacitated).

    Even if those issues were to be resolved somehow, we still have to deal with other nations that do have state recognition of marriages. For example, say you wanted to adopt from another country, you would not be able to do so in many countries because they specifically require foreign adoptive parents to be married, and expect state recognition of that marriage. The same would be true with tax laws in other countries (say you worked abroad), property ownership in other nations, and so on.

    The fact is, its completely unworkable for the state to simply not recognize marriages at all. Its also rather petty really. Basically, its like saying well if gays and lesbians can get married, then the state should just quit recognizing any marriage. Thats the kind of thing a 5 year old would do when they did not get their way.
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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    say what?

    I'm against gay marriage. But then again, I'm against government marriage for all. Civil unions as the legal three way contract, let Churches, clubs, whatever handle the religious aspect.
    I'm not saying that marriage is necessarily a religious thing all the time. The problem is that people usually use religion to backup their arguments against gay-marriage, which makes no sense since some people have different religions or no religion.

    If marriage is really as "religious" as some here like to pretend, then they should have no problem with Pagan Handfasting religious marriage, Satanic marriage, Islamic marriage, Buddhist marriage and all that good stuff outside of government.
    Again, I have no problem with religious marriages. I have a problem with people using it as justification to deny the right for someone else to do the same thing. Hypocrites are the problem.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I did not call you a liar, I said I do not believe you. I do not believe you believe you either.
    Read that statement back to yourself.

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    Yes I am, I am not responsible for genocide. I have lived a moral life, free of fraud or the use of force on others.
    So what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    A person who lives a moral life is better than a raping madman. If you do not agree, your morality is certainly suspect.
    I do not agree and you can suspect all you like.

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    No, by the objective standard of a human life.
    The objective standard of human life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Unwilling to debate the virtues of a bronze age morality? Of slavery or violence against people of other faiths? Very well
    Not at all. In fact go ahead and put it in real debates, I would be happy to.

    For this thread it is really off topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    But if that is the case, if your dogma is not up for debate, why use it as the standard for condemnation on a debate forum?
    I am not using as a standard for anything on this forum. You asked a question and I truthfully answered it. You did not like the answer and decided to go off topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    If I cannot debate your standard, I cannot debate arguments derived from it. Are you interested in an honest debate? Or does the fact I regard Leviticus as barbaric turn you away?
    I love honest debate.

    It has more to do with your inability to accept other people have a different opinion without being a personal affront.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Oh wow. You derive the value of your marriage by the actions of others in their marriages?

    Don't tell your spouse that.
    If you had actually read what I said in context, you would know you are completely off track.

    I was talking about the government.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The problem with removing state recognition of marriage altogether is that you create a host of legal issues as it relates to custody of children, property, and medical issues (such as speaking for a person in they are incapacitated).

    Even if those issues were to be resolved somehow, we still have to deal with other nations that do have state recognition of marriages. For example, say you wanted to adopt from another country, you would not be able to do so in many countries because they specifically require foreign adoptive parents to be married, and expect state recognition of that marriage. The same would be true with tax laws in other countries (say you worked abroad), property ownership in other nations, and so on.

    The fact is, its completely unworkable for the state to simply not recognize marriages at all. Its also rather petty really. Basically, its like saying well if gays and lesbians can get married, then the state should just quit recognizing any marriage. Thats the kind of thing a 5 year old would do when they did not get their way.
    Because it did not work well before government got involved. Hmmmm...


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I don't know what you are talking about. I'm talking about people who cling to false morals, and what they "think" are principles, when it is actually something like fear.
    Most of us don't fear homosexuals or anything even close.

    I don't even know where this silly "fear of homosexuals" thing even came from. It's allot of things but I doubt the majority are against it because of fear. They are against it because they think it is wrong, period.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Most of us don't fear homosexuals or anything even close.

    I don't even know where this silly "fear of homosexuals" thing even came from. It's allot of things but I doubt the majority are against it because of fear. They are against it because they think it is wrong, period.
    When asked why they think it is wrong, they refer to their own religion.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    When asked why they think it is wrong, they refer to their own religion.
    Yes.

    How is that fear? I guess is what I want to know.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes.

    How is that fear? I guess is what I want to know.
    That's not an example of fear. Its not always that people use. If I said that its "fear" every time, then I apologize. Its fear only sometimes, otherwise its religious ignorance or something else.


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    Re: If you oppose same-sex marriage, you are...

    A little off topic, but...

    Today I learned that people tend to get really all bent out of shape on the issue of gay marriage. I don't mean those against it, I mean people on both sides. Can some one explain it to me? I guess I just don't see the big deal kinda thing. I understand it's important to people, but so are alot of things that don't generate the kind of emotional reaction that this issue does.

    What is odd is that the general attitude among gay people I know on the topic is that gay marriage would be nice, and it's going to happen soon, but it's not a really huge deal. It certainly does not seem to inflame the emotions like this thread and a couple others on this topic.

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