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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    So you can just spare me the whole, "Damn white people, " crapola.
    So true, so true. But it's a throwback to that whole victimhood mentality I spoke of earlier. "My life ain't what I think it ought to be so it's got to be da' man's fault. Down wit whitey!!!" Indulging that lowlife sentiment is the problem, not the white people around the poor soul. Although, I have to admit that this sentiment is partially white folks' fault to start with because we implemented policies which enable the victimhood mentality and other policies, such as affirmative action, which enabled the successes of the lowest common denominators in the african american community.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    "A faggot mother****er"
    Is that some sort of oxymoron?

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    This is in regards to the discussion going on in this thread.

    Personally, I think it's stupid to view any word as inherently offensive when it is just a word. In the proper context it can be completely offensive, but we shouldn't just ban it from being used in any context because some people give the word more power than it should have. It comes off as fear to me, and an irrational one at that. What does everyone else think?
    I tend to think that there are certain words that cross the line. I think is because they have been used as slurs for so long they have been empowered.

    Being a lesbian I have heard most of the terms for gays and lesbians all my life. I have taken the power they used to have over me away. When I was young the Q word used to make me cry. I would sit in my room alone and weep over that word. The D word used to get me as well. I saw the way my reaction gave those words a power over my life.

    I am 57 now now and I have a tattoo on my right arm it is simply the words I'm queer. It's small and hardly noticeable. But it has eased that old hurt. I have a coat that says Dyke. I have had that for years. Words hurt and cause pain and have power as long as we allow them too.

    I see that Gwendoline brought up the word Feminist. That has become a dirty word for women that have ideas and thoughts. It belittles and abuses us if we let it. There are so many words that hurt and do damage if we allow it.

    I don't allow it anymore. There is an interesting term for gays and lesbians that I like to tell the history of. The word Fagot. LOL silly word. It means really a bunch of sticks or kindling for starting a fire. That is where the word came from toss another fagot on the fire. The term is horrendous. It's not funny at all. Yet the power it has as a word is gone. I am a Fagot as well.

    There are four words the work together that we should all say more often. those words are. "ACCEPTANCE IS THE ANSWER"

    If we say those in harmony the others lose all the power they ever had.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    This is a bit ridiculous as it assumes that all these bad words come out of the mouths of white folks. The last person I heard blathering on about the awfulness of "dykes" was a gay man. The last person I heard talking about towel heads was a black army friend.

    If someone is toxic and using such words to offend you why should you continue to be in their presence? I wouldn't.

    But I find this whole thing about white arrogance and continuance of white privilege to be mock worthy. A half black, half white man is our President. That means tons of white folks voted for him. Given that it's hard to take your dramatics on the topic seriously. Are there racists? Sure. Is it uniquely a white persons problem? Absolutely not. I know a black man who took huge amounts of crap from black women for dating a white girl. While the white girls family and friends give him ZERO crap. So you can just spare me the whole, "Damn white people, " crapola.
    You took everything that I said out of context, when context has been a point of issue in this thread.
    I didn't mean it as a "blanket indictment", of course. But the only ones who ought to be trying on that shoe are the ones it would "fit".
    You don't subscribe to the notion of "white privilege". Fair enough. Doesn't mean that it doesn't exist and isn't a real and everyday occurrence.
    The question comes up, can black people be equally racist and obnoxious?
    Of course they can. Anyone can be.
    So what you're suggesting is that nothing much here is going to change, in regards to folks using offensive language and racial epithets. I'm given the choice of pretending that it doesn't matter, or finding somewhere else to be, after the drydocking of the boat. Thanks.
    In regards to any questions about "white privilege", I refer you to the following site, with essays on the subject, written by other "whites":
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    For you to suggest that because Barack Obama was elected president, our problems are over, and we have achieved parity and equality is preposterous, to say the least. A historic and noteworthy accomplishment, to be sure...but let's not forget, for one minute, how difficult and racially charged was his journey to that office. In fact hate crimes are statistically on the rise, since his inauguration. Explain that. So don't give me that crap about kumbayah, and everything being hunky dory, when the fact that we're having this conversation underscores that everything is "not".
    Let me reiterate that my motivation is hardly racist. I have family members who are half-white, and numerous and sundry friends who would laugh at the notion.
    In fact, last night I attended my monthly poetry gathering, consisting mainly of a roomful of middle-aged white women, with me and my visiting artist friend being the only black faces in the room. All I got were hugs and praises after my performance, with invitations to reprise. I'm not the problem.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So true, so true. But it's a throwback to that whole victimhood mentality I spoke of earlier. "My life ain't what I think it ought to be so it's got to be da' man's fault. Down wit whitey!!!" Indulging that lowlife sentiment is the problem, not the white people around the poor soul. Although, I have to admit that this sentiment is partially white folks' fault to start with because we implemented policies which enable the victimhood mentality and other policies, such as affirmative action, which enabled the successes of the lowest common denominators in the african american community.
    Here is an example of not one word, but many words offending my sensibilities. The lowest common denominators? My Lord.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    Here is an example of not one word, but many words offending my sensibilities. The lowest common denominators? My Lord.
    What do you find offensive about that? Affirmative action took away any semblance of reward for achievement and allowed underachievers the same status within the african american community as their ambitious counterparts.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    Here is an example of not one word, but many words offending my sensibilities. The lowest common denominators? My Lord.


    Gwendoline,
    Are you surprised? After a series of jaw-dropping posts, I wouldn't put anything past some.
    All is heard is "I'm not a racist, but you are, let me count the ways.".

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Context, culture, an environment significantly alter ones sensitivity. If you're young and you hang with a group of friends who commonly and jokingly call each other all manner of names probably you'll pick up the habit as well and have no sensitivity to the words within that environment. However if you've never heard your father ever call your mother the names you and your friends constantly toss out at each other then the day he does it your mouth is gonna fall to the floor! The words loose or gain weight depending on the context and the environment.

    Let's say you're a teenage guy and your friends constantly mock each other during sporting events by saying crap like, "You run like a little bitch. " Now let's say a new kid moves in the neighborhood and his friends never did that. The first time he hears it or has it tossed his way he's gonna be more offended than he will be later on when he's so use to it he has no sensitivity to it whatsoever.

    I think that's why young black kids can use the N word frequently with each other in a jocular manner. They desensitize each other to it.

    However they are NOT desensitized to some white guy coming along and using it. So when that happens the reaction would be changed dramatically.
    I post that i am lesbian and how much power and pain certain words could have over me. It was when i made them my own identity that i took the power out of these harmful words. I had to learn. Now I am 57 I did this long ago. t the time i was coming out we were afraid of these terms as we could be arrested for being lesbian or gay. The terms did have power.

    The communities have made these terms their own to disarm them. The N Word in a black neighborhood. If you use it for yourself you take away the sting.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    Here is an example of not one word, but many words offending my sensibilities. The lowest common denominators? My Lord.
    Lowest common denominator? Are you talking about Fox News? :razz:

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    Gwendoline,
    Are you surprised? After a series of jaw-dropping posts, I wouldn't put anything past some.
    All is heard is "I'm not a racist, but you are, let me count the ways.".
    That didn't even make any sense.

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