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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    And that really is the thing, you have to have support for a movement, that only comes with acceptance and understanding, if the celebrations were all civil and family friendly, I think middle America would come around, the funny thing is that many people who don't think they could be friends with a gay person probably don't even realize that they are already and just don't know it, like a coworker, teammate, even a golfing buddy, etc.

    Edit- added a "all" in there.
    and p.s.- I wouldn't be seen around anything similar in a mixed celebration(i.e. Mardi Gras) if I had kids.
    The Mardi Gras is not seen as a paradae as the pride parade it. The Mardi Gras is more of an adult venue. The pride parades are as well, but should not be. They are a rough spot in the gay/lesbian movement.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    And that really is the thing, you have to have support for a movement, that only comes with acceptance and understanding, if the celebrations were all civil and family friendly, I think middle America would come around, the funny thing is that many people who don't think they could be friends with a gay person probably don't even realize that they are already and just don't know it, like a coworker, teammate, even a golfing buddy, etc.

    Edit- added a "all" in there.
    and p.s.- I wouldn't be seen around anything similar in a mixed celebration(i.e. Mardi Gras) if I had kids.
    Oh yeah...Mardi Gras is about the height of debauchery. But most of the daytime stuff is pretty family friendly. I think like talloulou suggested...if they just kept the risque stuff to the night time and bars and still had family oriented events during the day, a whole lot would be done to bridge some divides there. But then I have to wonder if the media would only focus on the night time events just for ratings.

    And do you really think people are still so guarded with their sexuality that you would be friends with a gay person and not know it? I would find it very hard to be friends with someone and they not know because I am very unapologetic about my relationship with Josh. I'm not rudely overt about it but I don't hide it in any way. It concerns me that I would be so out of touch as to not realize some people do the whole pronoun switching thing or hide their partners around their friends.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    The Mardi Gras is not seen as a paradae as the pride parade it. The Mardi Gras is more of an adult venue. The pride parades are as well, but should not be. They are a rough spot in the gay/lesbian movement.
    Mardi Gras in Louisiana is a free-for-all to be honest, this also depends on which city you are celebrating in, I'm not really offended by either, but do understand people who see it from the outside for either religious, family, etc. values taking things the wrong way. In fact, I think my demographic gets slandered as well by Mardi Gras, that being drunken single party guy.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

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    Oh yeah...Mardi Gras is about the height of debauchery. But most of the daytime stuff is pretty family friendly. I think like talloulou suggested...if they just kept the risque stuff to the night time and bars and still had family oriented events during the day, a whole lot would be done to bridge some divides there. But then I have to wonder if the media would only focus on the night time events just for ratings.
    I agree with bringing out the bad stuff when the kids are in bed. Mardi Gras in New Orleans is a straight up boob fest for about two weeks, regardless of the time, the reason it gets that wild is there are just too many people to fit in jails. My city, Lafayette, is a little tamer, but you can still see just about any behavior you want if you know where to go.

    And do you really think people are still so guarded with their sexuality that you would be friends with a gay person and not know it? I would find it very hard to be friends with someone and they not know because I am very unapologetic about my relationship with Josh. I'm not rudely overt about it but I don't hide it in any way. It concerns me that I would be so out of touch as to not realize some people do the whole pronoun switching thing or hide their partners around their friends.
    I see where you are going with it, I was referring to the people who aren't out. I was discussing politics with a coworker and the Louisiana gay marriage vote came up, I mentioned I was in the 20% that voted yea on it and he was surprised because I am a conservative and the perception is we are all against it, then he mentioned the life before he came out, surprised the hell out of me because we would always talk about dating life and he was with women. In fact, I mentioned it to the boss about the discussion and was afraid I outed him because of her reaction, but she assured me he had told her prior, she was more proud that he was being honest with himself and everyone else, not hiding in shame, his issue, he was worried about harrassment and losing his job, go figure, these days people are still afraid of that.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I agree with bringing out the bad stuff when the kids are in bed. Mardi Gras in New Orleans is a straight up boob fest for about two weeks, regardless of the time, the reason it gets that wild is there are just too many people to fit in jails. My city, Lafayette, is a little tamer, but you can still see just about any behavior you want if you know where to go.

    I see where you are going with it, I was referring to the people who aren't out. I was discussing politics with a coworker and the Louisiana gay marriage vote came up, I mentioned I was in the 20% that voted yea on it and he was surprised because I am a conservative and the perception is we are all against it, then he mentioned the life before he came out, surprised the hell out of me because we would always talk about dating life and he was with women. In fact, I mentioned it to the boss about the discussion and was afraid I outed him because of her reaction, but she assured me he had told her prior, she was more proud that he was being honest with himself and everyone else, not hiding in shame, his issue, he was worried about harrassment and losing his job, go figure, these days people are still afraid of that.

    I guess I'm just so far removed from that idea that it's hard for me to imagine it anymore. But then, I guess I have had the luxury of being the guy in charge in the work place for so long that I don't fear losing a job and I will not tolerate anyone being harassed when they work under me. I make that clear immediately when I take over a site. Nothing kills productivity faster than one of the team feeling justified discomfort or being ostracized.

    Granted though, I have some instances here in California where I think the openness went a little too far. That, I won't tolerate either.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I guess I'm just so far removed from that idea that it's hard for me to imagine it anymore. But then, I guess I have had the luxury of being the guy in charge in the work place for so long that I don't fear losing a job and I will not tolerate anyone being harassed when they work under me. I make that clear immediately when I take over a site. Nothing kills productivity faster than one of the team feeling justified discomfort or being ostracized.

    Granted though, I have some instances here in California where I think the openness went a little too far. That, I won't tolerate either.
    I think that's one of those things where someone who hasn't taken that step sees the bad instances of intolerance and gets gun shy about their sexuality, to me that is the hangover of the times that weren't so good. I'm open minded about that kind of thing because of my live and let live nature so I take for granted possibly that not every straight person sees things in that light. I get a huge kick out of people like the Phelps clan though, people who hide behind something like religion or family values to reinforce or otherwise justify their bigotry.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    It seems to me that opposition to the usage of a word would necessitate knowledge of its existence, which itself would constitute a "context."

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Use a wider context for the term "word," to include context (as should always be the case,) and the answer becomes obvious.

    Context is part of a word. For example, if we say "Bob was fired," the word "fired" means entirely different things if we were just discussing his work at a bank, or his job as a human cannonball in the circus, or his status as an heretic.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    To give an example of what I mean, from what I quoted above: "She is such a bitch" has a strongly different meaning from "he is such a bastard". I don't think one is "worse" than the other, just that one is stronger than the other, and find it interesting that our culture has stronger negative terms for women than men.
    A good example of a "stronger negative term" for women is the word, "slut". There isn't an equivelent in negative terms for men for the same behaviour - in fact, the word/s attributed to men in this scenario, come out as positive terms. "Stud" being one word that comes to mind.

    So how is it that "language" came around to finding / conjuring up derogatory words for a woman engaging in the same kind of sexual behaviour as a man - the same sexual behaviour that awarded men positive values / terms?

    methinks sexism

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    A good example of a "stronger negative term" for women is the word, "slut". There isn't an equivelent in negative terms for men for the same behaviour - in fact, the word/s attributed to men in this scenario, come out as positive terms. "Stud" being one word that comes to mind.

    So how is it that "language" came around to finding / conjuring up derogatory words for a woman engaging in the same kind of sexual behaviour as a man - the same sexual behaviour that awarded men positive values / terms?

    methinks sexism
    Good example. I would add that the problem is, I believe, a historical more than current problem. We have a language that has evolved over thousands of years. You and I both agree that the language treats women differently than men(best way I can think of to phrase it), I think it is more a legacy problem than a problem with modern culture.

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