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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    So if I was to use the word to reference something that someone else said or to even reference the word itself as being offensive that my use of it would be just as bad as some racist guy who used it against someone else in a derogatory way? You can't be serious. I'm sorry, but if that really is your stance that is idiotic. It's just a word. Personally I would place more blame on the people who use it in the derogatory sense than on the word itself.

    Sorry, but some words just fall into that category of "off limits", for me.
    And, of course, you're entitled to your opinion.


    The word is rude in the proper context, I agree.



    Kind of a hypocrite aren't you? You just used words that others consider offensive and it was only in a referencing context. However, according to your logic that doesn't matter.

    No. No hypocrite. I cited what others may do. Not that I do it. It's not a word I'm attempting to "reclaim". I don't like the word. I thought that was plain.

    You did it again!
    Ah, caught. I should have been true to form and replaced the word with "n-word", to be consistent. Forgive my oversight.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    Ah, caught. I should have been true to form and replaced the word with "n-word", to be consistent. Forgive my oversight.
    Dude, I wasn't just talking about the 'N' word. You listed a whole crap load of offensive terms.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    Ah, caught. I should have been true to form and replaced the word with "n-word", to be consistent. Forgive my oversight.



    You harped on lerxst for using "nigger" in a context that was in no way offensive.


    You then did exactly what he did in your post above.


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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Words can only be offensive if you take offense to them. A word is inherently value neutral, it's just a bunch of sounds coming out of someone's mouth. If you don't get offended by those sounds, they remain value neutral, but the offense you might take comes from within, not from the words themselves.
    From what I've seen, is a lot of jockeying for position. Why does the onus fall upon the person offended and not the person offending? I fail to understand that. I can't tell you what's offensive to you. I rely on you to tell me what you find offensive, and for me to consider your feelings in the matter, human being to human being, and avoid offending you...that is if I care. If I have empathy, or sympathy. Some people don't possess it, and go through life treading on the feelings and beliefs of others, thinking that their feelings and beliefs trump, somehow. I didn't grow up that way. My mother instilled care and concern for other human beings in me. I summarily reject arrogance. And it's arrogant to suggest that folks should be offended by words which historically have the sole purpose of offense, and was commonplace, during slavery. Unless things haven't changed that much.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    From what I've seen, is a lot of jockeying for position. Why does the onus fall upon the person offended and not the person offending? I fail to understand that. I can't tell you what's offensive to you. I rely on you to tell me what you find offensive, and for me to consider your feelings in the matter, human being to human being, and avoid offending you...that is if I care. If I have empathy, or sympathy. Some people don't possess it, and go through life treading on the feelings and beliefs of others, thinking that their feelings and beliefs trump, somehow. I didn't grow up that way. My mother instilled care and concern for other human beings in me. I summarily reject arrogance. And it's arrogant to suggest that folks should be offended by words which historically have the sole purpose of offense, and was commonplace, during slavery. Unless things haven't changed that much.




    I found your accusing Lerxst and me of racism as highly offensive.


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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    I'm w/ George Carlin on this:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZCS5I80X-8"]YouTube - The word 'Nigger' - Richard Pryor & George Carlin[/ame]

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Personally, I think it's stupid to view any word as inherently offensive when it is just a word. In the proper context it can be completely offensive, but we shouldn't just ban it from being used in any context because some people give the word more power than it should have. It comes off as fear to me, and an irrational one at that. What does everyone else think?
    I do think that some word ARE offensive, but that's me. There are some (loaded) words that have become to sound like "pass the butter" to some, but to me, they rankle. And perhaps a small part of the reason they rankle me, is in some part, because they don't seem to rankle others, and sometimes that puzzles me. Words matter. The meaning of words matter. The way we use words matter.

    I am offended by the way some grabbed hold of the word "feminist" - and started using it in a derogatory way. The word "feminist", in its nucleus was never designed / brought forward as a word to be used in a derogatory fashion - but some others have made it that. "Feminazi" is a pretty hideous and offensive word to me.

    Sometimes I wonder if partly / possibly this is a little bit / a lot about making "concessions" to others... why should we? Because we are human, and it helps us to understand ourselves and each other a lot better when we understand the other, and when we make a concession to the other for "experiences" that the other may have had that we most likely have no comprehension / understanding of.

    For any of us that have lived through any form of difficult / overt oppression / denigration in our lives, I think it probably makes us a lot more sensitive / alert / attuned to the tenor / vibrations of all manner of human interactions / exchanges. At least, that's what I tend to think...

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    I do think that some word ARE offensive, but that's me. There are some (loaded) words that have become to sound like "pass the butter" to some, but to me, they rankle. And perhaps a small part of the reason they rankle me, is in some part, because they don't seem to rankle others, and sometimes that puzzles me. Words matter. The meaning of words matter. The way we use words matter.
    I agree that the way we use them matters. That underlines even more the importance of context. A person using the word as a way to reference something isn't a racist just because he/she used that word.

    I am offended by the way some grabbed hold of the word "feminist" - and started using it in a derogatory way. The word "feminist", in its nucleus was never designed / brought forward as a word to be used in a derogatory fashion - but some others have made it that. "Feminazi" is a pretty hideous and offensive word to me.
    I agree with you. Most people that use the term "feminist" in a derogatory way don't even know what feminism really is. Feminazi doesn't really offend me. I just think it's an absurd comparison and I think it's hilarious how a lot of people always go to the nazis as a reference point for something they don't like.

    Sometimes I wonder if partly / possibly this is a little bit / a lot about making "concessions" to others... why should we? Because we are human, and it helps us to understand ourselves and each other a lot better when we understand the other, and when we make a concession to the other for "experiences" that the other may have had that we most likely have no comprehension / understanding of.
    I agree with you on that also. I still don't think that using the "n" word as a reference is offensive or racist like using it in the derogatory context is.

    For any of us that have lived through any form of difficult / overt oppression / denigration in our lives, I think it probably makes us a lot more sensitive / alert / attuned to the tenor / vibrations of all manner of human interactions / exchanges. At least, that's what I tend to think...
    I agree.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Feminazi is actually a wonderful example.

    I can see how someone that considers themselves a strong feminist may see it as all around inherently offensive.

    For me personally, its a context thing. If someone calls anyone that simply is pushing for womens rights a feminazi, I'd think they're rather ignorant. However, if someone was using it to refer to a specific group of feminists that are so overblown on their views that they begin to swing it from an honest attempt to bring women to an equal playing field but instead to place women above men and to actively work to punish and oppress males for the sake of raising up women then I'd see it as a rather junvile, but understandable, attempt to label them with a word that invokes the imagery you view their thought process to be like.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Feminazi is actually a wonderful example.

    I can see how someone that considers themselves a strong feminist may see it as all around inherently offensive.

    For me personally, its a context thing. If someone calls anyone that simply is pushing for womens rights a feminazi, I'd think they're rather ignorant. However, if someone was using it to refer to a specific group of feminists that are so overblown on their views that they begin to swing it from an honest attempt to bring women to an equal playing field but instead to place women above men and to actively work to punish and oppress males for the sake of raising up women then I'd see it as a rather junvile, but understandable, attempt to label them with a word that invokes the imagery you view their thought process to be like.
    Just curious. What "word" would you use for a man who is "... so overblown on their views that they begin to swing it from an honest attempt to bring men to an equal playing field but instead to place men above women and to actively work to punish and oppress women for the sake of raising up men..."

    So how does it work when said that way? And is there a word equivelent to "feminazi" for men, and what is it? Neanderthal? Sounds kinda soft... maybe something a bit harsher, maybe...

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