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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I get frustrated with those events. I don't find them kid and family friendly. About 6 years ago the parade planners in NY invited many of us back who had helped plan the first parade. They set us at the front as many of us don't get around so well anymore. I was glad of that. I was upset as were many of my old friends that I had not seen. The gay/lesbian community can be a joy and so much fun. Yet when left to try and present a family image they want to out flaunt the next person in the parade.

    I never found that the displays of some people in the parades is the correct thing to do. We are trying to show the world that we are like everyone else. Yes it is a festive parade but I do not need to see someones genitals to be festive.
    Some of the best parties I have been to were hosted by gay friends, often with a mixed crowd. It wasn't that there was any debauchery(unlike the stereotypical view), just that these were some really fun and friendly people, good conversations, etc. In the vein of what you were saying, just like any other party, but quality people.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It's the same way for me. I am much more inclined to take offense over someone's demeanor and stance than I am over the language they actually use.
    I got a taste of the minority life one night when I went to hang out with a gay friend at a gay club, the door guy was one of the flamboyant, militant types and was offended that most of us in the group are straight, we got things like "Oh, you're a breeder too", etc., it wasn't his words, just the attitude that was annoying, but screw it, we had a blast.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I got a taste of the minority life one night when I went to hang out with a gay friend at a gay club, the door guy was one of the flamboyant, militant types and was offended that most of us in the group are straight, we got things like "Oh, you're a breeder too", etc., it wasn't his words, just the attitude that was annoying, but screw it, we had a blast.
    Well that's what mattered...that you guys still had a blast. Let me assure you those militant types aren't very well received among most circles in general. They want to sequester themselves into a gay little life filled only with gay little people doing gay little things all the gay day long. There's a reason that the only gainful employment that they are suited for is working the door at a gay bar. A lot of times you'll find them doing that well into their 40's.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Some of the best parties I have been to were hosted by gay friends, often with a mixed crowd. It wasn't that there was any debauchery(unlike the stereotypical view), just that these were some really fun and friendly people, good conversations, etc. In the vein of what you were saying, just like any other party, but quality people.
    I think for the most part these very outrageous people at the pride parades are quality people. The problem is that they believe that the over the top act is going to get attention for the community. The problem with that thinking is that it the wrong attention. It is negative instead of positive.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I think for the most part these very outrageous people at the pride parades are quality people. The problem is that they believe that the over the top act is going to get attention for the community. The problem with that thinking is that it the wrong attention. It is negative instead of positive.
    I agree, I'm all for rights being rights, not gay, minority, majority, etc. It's hard to justify to the straight community though when people see the attention mongering that you and Jallman are speaking of, but yeah, they probably are very good at heart and just looking for a little punch to their message.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I agree, I'm all for rights being rights, not gay, minority, majority, etc. It's hard to justify to the straight community though when people see the attention mongering that you and Jallman are speaking of, but yeah, they probably are very good at heart and just looking for a little punch to their message.
    I think you do see a lot more of the outrageousness in larger cities than you do in smaller towns.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think you do see a lot more of the outrageousness in larger cities than you do in smaller towns.
    That seems to be the case, unfortunately for the cause though, the big town stuff is gonna be seen all over, including the small towns where people may be a little more entrenched in their beliefs on the subject.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I agree, I'm all for rights being rights, not gay, minority, majority, etc. It's hard to justify to the straight community though when people see the attention mongering that you and Jallman are speaking of, but yeah, they probably are very good at heart and just looking for a little punch to their message.
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think you do see a lot more of the outrageousness in larger cities than you do in smaller towns.
    I think that some people just see this as the one celebratory that they have during the year. They just don't happen to realize that this hurts the cause. Everyone that is gay or lesbian is not an activist. That is the difference.

    You are so correct about the smaller towns. The pride parades or the gay/lesbian community is far more subtle.
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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That seems to be the case, unfortunately for the cause though, the big town stuff is gonna be seen all over, including the small towns where people may be a little more entrenched in their beliefs on the subject.
    True. Sensationalism does sell. But living in Anchorage and going to their pride showed a real difference. It was more centered on community outreach and celebrating diversity rather than sexuality. I will never go back to Atlanta's gay pride again because it was just shameful.

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    Re: Are some words inherently offensive or is context important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I think that some people just see this as the one celebratory that they have during the year. They just don't happen to realize that this hurts the cause. Everyone that is gay or lesbian is not an activist. That is the difference.

    You are so correct about the smaller towns. The pride parades or the gay/lesbian community is far more subtle.
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    True. Sensationalism does sell. But living in Anchorage and going to their pride showed a real difference. It was more centered on community outreach and celebrating diversity rather than sexuality. I will never go back to Atlanta's gay pride again because it was just shameful.
    And that really is the thing, you have to have support for a movement, that only comes with acceptance and understanding, if the celebrations were all civil and family friendly, I think middle America would come around, the funny thing is that many people who don't think they could be friends with a gay person probably don't even realize that they are already and just don't know it, like a coworker, teammate, even a golfing buddy, etc.

    Edit- added a "all" in there.
    and p.s.- I wouldn't be seen around anything similar in a mixed celebration(i.e. Mardi Gras) if I had kids.
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