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Thread: Public Opinion Turning Against Global Warming Almost as Quickly as Science

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    Re: Public Opinion Turning Against Global Warming Almost as Quickly as Science

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    What is it like 50% of the public when polled doesn't believe in Evolution?
    Unlike evolution, which has 100% of the science supporting it, there's very little evidence supporting the AGW theory, especially considering that the cooling trend we're now in wasn't predicted by that theory...which means the theory is wrong.

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    Re: Public Opinion Turning Against Global Warming Almost as Quickly as Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Unlike evolution, which has 100% of the science supporting it, there's very little evidence supporting the AGW theory, especially considering that the cooling trend we're now in wasn't predicted by that theory...which means the theory is wrong.
    Climate models have predicted the current slight cooling for years now. We are still much warmer than the 30 year trend.
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    Re: Public Opinion Turning Against Global Warming Almost as Quickly as Science

    Gee, how surprising that a group called the "Right Wing Underground" would come out against not only Global Warming but, also AGW.

    Here's another article for ya: Scientists Agree Human-induced Global Warming Is Real, Survey Says
    [quote] Scientists Agree Human-induced Global Warming Is Real/quote]

    ScienceDaily (Jan. 21, 2009) — While the harsh winter pounding many areas of North America and Europe seemingly contradicts the fact that global warming continues unabated, a new survey finds consensus among scientists about the reality of climate change and its likely cause.

    A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

    Peter Doran, University of Illinois at Chicago associate professor of earth and environmental sciences, along with former graduate student Maggie Kendall Zimmerman, conducted the survey late last year.

    In trying to overcome criticism of earlier attempts to gauge the view of earth scientists on global warming and the human impact factor, Doran and Kendall Zimmerman sought the opinion of the most complete list of earth scientists they could find, contacting more than 10,200 experts around the world listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments.

    Experts in academia and government research centers were e-mailed invitations to participate in the on-line poll conducted by the website questionpro.com. Only those invited could participate and computer IP addresses of participants were recorded and used to prevent repeat voting.

    Questions used were reviewed by a polling expert who checked for bias in phrasing, such as suggesting an answer by the way a question was worded. The nine-question survey was short, taking just a few minutes to complete.

    Two questions were key: have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures.

    About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.

    In analyzing responses by sub-groups, Doran found that climatologists who are active in research showed the strongest consensus on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role.

    Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 and 64 percent respectively believing in human involvement. Doran compared their responses to a recent poll showing only 58 percent of the public thinks human activity contributes to global warming.

    "The petroleum geologist response is not too surprising, but the meteorologists' is very interesting," he said. "Most members of the public think meteorologists know climate, but most of them actually study very short-term phenomenon."
    We all know this from our local meteorologists who pretty much are wrong most of the time and only look at 3 to 5 days at a time.

    He was not surprised, however, by the near-unanimous agreement by climatologists.
    "They're the ones who study and publish on climate science. So I guess the take-home message is, the more you know about the field of climate science, the more you're likely to believe in global warming and humankind's contribution to it."


    Doran and Kendall Zimmerman conclude that "the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes." The challenge now, they write, is how to effectively communicate this to policy makers and to a public that continues to mistakenly perceive debate among scientists.
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    Re: Public Opinion Turning Against Global Warming Almost as Quickly as Science

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Climate models have predicted the current slight cooling for years now.
    Purest bull****.

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    Re: Public Opinion Turning Against Global Warming Almost as Quickly as Science

    I'd first say that of course there's an "amount of science" that would sway my opinion. After all, I accept that the Earth is round. If no amount of science would sway you...well...I don't know what to say to that, except that I sincerely hope you are in a profession where no one relies on your judgment for their safety.

    That said, what's particularly amusing about this subject is the way so many take an extreme stance, as if the entire science is anything more than educated guesswork. It's an incredibly complex subject and our measuring instruments worldwide are now and have always been an absolute joke. We have almost no idea whether current scientific data effectively captures the "global-warming" trend at all, and anything you may read regarding "historical data" is even less reliable.

    BS fearmongering, in my opinion.
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    Re: Public Opinion Turning Against Global Warming Almost as Quickly as Science

    Energy guzzled by Al Gore’s home in past year could power 232 U.S. homes for a month


    "“Actions speak louder than words, and Gore’s actions prove that he views climate change not as a serious problem, but as a money-making opportunity,” Johnson said. “Gore is exploiting the public’s concern about the environment to line his pockets and enhance his profile.”

    The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, a Nashville-based free market think tank and watchdog organization, obtained information about Gore’s home energy use through a public records request to the Nashville Electric Service. "


    Media Ignore Al Gore’s Financial Ties to Global Warming


    When you add it all up, this is a flimflam of epic proportions:

    First, Gore sets up a company that will invest in other companies that will benefit from global warming alarmism
    Second, Gore gets some Hollywood types to fund and produce a movie designed to scare the c-c-carbon out of the population
    Third, Gore travels the world promoting this movie, while pushing the view that a cataclysm is imminent if the world doesn't immediately act
    Fourth, an adoring media falls for the con hook, line, and sinker. Rather than debunking the flaws in the theories, the media promote every word of it while advancing the concept that Gore's views represent those of an overwhelming majority of scientists
    Fifth, scared governments and citizens across the globe invest in alternative energy programs driving up the shares of companies Gore's group has already invested in
    Sixth, Gore and his cronies make billions as they laugh all the way to the bank at the stupidity of their fellow citizens
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    Re: Public Opinion Turning Against Global Warming Almost as Quickly as Science

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I love how aquapub states the left has a war against science. As if his bunch is not the ones that are pushing garbage like "intelligent design", "flood geology", "wise use movement", "carbon dating is inaccurate", and "there are no transitional fossils".

    There definitely is a war against science in this country, but its certainly not on the part of the left.
    I'd agree with this. If you compare Gallup's poll of who accepts and who rejects evolution, it matches very nicely with who votes Republican and who votes Democrat (well, for the 2004 election). Gotta give Gallup credit for posting something that shows the people he backs as less than intelligent.

    The last president essentially evicted science from policy with the exception of new ways to kill people. The notion of that the left, generally associated with secular atheism is waging a war on Science is insane when you look at diehard Social Cons who reject the most basics of science and the foundation of our society. Science was glorified in the USSR.

    How many liberals and leftists accept young Earth Creationism?
    I can tell you right now that few in the Republican voting South do, but huge numbers of non-liberal, non-leftists in the South swear by it. And YEC is a poster child for raging war on Science. The whole notion of "true" science came out of social conservatism to attempt to discredit actual science.

    What has always interested me is how people can wage on war on science, yet actively use its products. Seriously.
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