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  • Make politicians read out loud the whole entire bill.......

    9 42.86%
  • Make politicians read out loud the amendments they add to bills.....

    8 38.10%
  • Make politicians read out loud the amendments they remove from bills ...

    7 33.33%
  • Require politicians by law to read the bills before they vote on them....

    10 47.62%
  • Require all politicians to explain on tv why the are for or against or abstain from voting....

    6 28.57%
  • One subject at a time per bill law.

    14 66.67%
  • Letting the president have Line item veto.

    6 28.57%
  • other idea

    7 33.33%
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    Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending? I couldn't word the poll options as I wanted to so I added "....." to indicate that there was more to the poll option.

    Make politicians read out loud the whole entire bill that they author in front of tv cameras and explain in layman's terms why we need it.

    Make politicians read out loud the amendments they add to bills in front of tv cameras and explain in layman's terms what it means and why we need it.

    Make politicians read out loud the amendments the remove from bills in front of tv cameras and explain in layman's terms why we do not need this amendment.

    Require politicians by law to read the bills before they sign them.

    Require all politicians to explain on tv why the are for or against a bill or why they refuse to not show up to sign it.

    One subject at a time per bill law.

    Letting the president have Line item veto.

    other idea










    I say all the above except for the bottom two. As of now I do not have any other suggestions for "other" and the only thing a line item veto would do is give the president the authority to sign for things he wants which doesn't equate to cutting out pork spending. If politicians had to read everything they author whether it is a bill or an amendment or remove an amendment in front of tv cameras and also explain in layman's terms what it is and why we need it then they would most likely not add any pork seeing how what they do or say can be pulled up on a youtube video. This would also cut down on the bills the size of dictionaries and encyclopedias. If politicians were required by law to read the bills first before they vote on them then they would not be able to use the excuse "I didn't read it" or "I didn't read all of it".If they were required by law to explain on tv why they voted for or against or were too chicken **** to make a decision this would also hold politicians more accountable for what they sign. One subject at a time would also make it hard for them sneak in any unrelated spending.
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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    One subject per bill is the only practical choices. However, even that has problems if congress has to take large actions that have many ramifications.

    For instance, right now (even if I disagree with large parts of the stimulus package) it required large actions to be taken quickly. That would have been impossible with a single item per bill.


    Ideally, I would simply hope that people would vote politicians out of office if they throw in some amendments to Bills.

    If Phil Gramm was attacked for getting rid of Glass-steagel on Clinton's omnibus spending plan with no one noticing, (even though that wasn't pork) then that would be great. Since there wasn't any emergency, there was no reason to put all of these bills together.


    But since voters don't pay attention to their politicians, the Supreme Court should just be able to throw away bills that have many items all together.

    This power of SCOTUS would just need to be spelled out very percisely though, or else the Supreme Court would have a de-facto vetoe on legislation by congress, even if the bill was Constitutional every other way.

    The best way is just voter common sense...

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Some of those are impractical. Making it one subject at a time per bill law would prevent the need for the rest. Line-item might help, but it would probably only cut down the pork from one party and increase it from the other.

    Also, another way to cut down on pork spending is to buy your bacon in bulk.

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Line Item Veto, of course.

    If I was going to write "other", I would say require each line spending item be accompanied by a citing of the relevant clause of the Constitution permitting the spending, and noting that "general welfare" doesn't authorize any spending, rather, the specific items in Article 1 Section 8 are how the Congress is permitted to enhance the general welfare.

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    I'm for all of these (except maybe the explanation on TV, that just seems unnecessary).

    It's outrageous that the representatives of the people are voting on things that affect the people without even reading them.

    One subject at a time is a definite yes. Without it, you can have enough people voting for one thing and opposing the others that you don't actually have any majority for any of the subjects being voted on. Not to mention the corrupt vote-getting amendments put in practically every bill.

    Line item veto yes... but I'm not sure how necessary it would be if there really were only one subject at a time.

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    I think that any public politician should sign a waver,stating the government or the public has access to their bank accounts in any bank in the world,and also their families.Especially Swiss and other no-tell banks.

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    "One subject at a time" is too vague. What qualifies as a "subject"?

    A line-item veto seems too easy to abuse, and I'm not particularly comfortable with expanding executive power. Congress is supposed to write the laws, not the president.

    The other options...I don't really see how they would help reduce pork barrel spending.
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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Other.

    Make the majority of them read their resignations aloud.
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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    As others said, most of that list is impractical. Furthermore, the sheer boredom that would ensue would allow much of the pork to get through anyways.

    Single subject voting is more likely to work. When you cannot hide riders things become far more transparent.

    And a line item veto is unconstitutional. The executive branch was never meant to be able to influence individual sections of a bill, only reject or accept it as a whole. Furthermore, do we WANT to have more powers go to our already bad Imperial Presidency?
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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    As others said, most of that list is impractical. Furthermore, the sheer boredom that would ensue would allow much of the pork to get through anyways.

    Single subject voting is more likely to work. When you cannot hide riders things become far more transparent.

    And a line item veto is unconstitutional. The executive branch was never meant to be able to influence individual sections of a bill, only reject or accept it as a whole. Furthermore, do we WANT to have more powers go to our already bad Imperial Presidency?
    What a wonderful argument against the LIV. That it's unconstitutional. Then again, there's at least as much chance of getting Congress to pass out an amendment to create a LIV as there is for it to do any other option on the list.

    That particular power? Sure. Vetoed items can be overridden. Check...then....(gasp!) balance.

    As compared to today's permanent scenario of "Blank Check" - "Overdrawn Ballance".

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