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  • Make politicians read out loud the whole entire bill.......

    9 42.86%
  • Make politicians read out loud the amendments they add to bills.....

    8 38.10%
  • Make politicians read out loud the amendments they remove from bills ...

    7 33.33%
  • Require politicians by law to read the bills before they vote on them....

    10 47.62%
  • Require all politicians to explain on tv why the are for or against or abstain from voting....

    6 28.57%
  • One subject at a time per bill law.

    14 66.67%
  • Letting the president have Line item veto.

    6 28.57%
  • other idea

    7 33.33%
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Thread: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It wouldn't be impossible, just impractical. Congressmen would do it if they had to, but no one would care. It's not as though the average person would be attentively tuned into C-SPAN and jump out of their chair in rage when the congressman said "Section 42, B, ii) Allocates $20 million for the walnut festival in Peoria, Illinois." Besides, all of that information is already available online to anyone who wants it.
    A printed document doesn't have the same effect as a video of someone physically standing there and saying they want $20 million allocated for a walnut festival.Such things would make better ammo for political opponents and talk show host.A politician is less likely to try to sneak in some pork if he has to read it out loud in front of everyone and their mom and explain what this pork is and what it is in layman's terms and why they need it,especially if someone can just pull it up on a you tube video. A lot of people behave better if there is a camera watching them.
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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    I think your under some delusion of how important government is.
    Put who in the what now?

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    I think that many of the options would help, but perhaps the best would be a combo of once ammendments are added or taken away, those responsible should explain themselves on television.

    The main problem is that even when an explaination is given, most pork benefits the constituency of the representative and these people are the ones who re-elect them. So ultimately the only way to limit pork spending is to legally limit federal funds for state usage.

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    can you point me to the section where COTUS gives the Executive branch the right to produce legislation? LIV essentially allows the Executive branch to supersede the rights of the Legislative by crafting its own bill.


    For someone who complains about lack of constitutional adherence, you sure don't seem to have a problem with ignoring COTUS here.
    Can you explain to the class your understanding of the function of a Constitutional Amendment?

    Hmmmm?

    Also, cite my post where I authorized the President to write a bill that he can sign into law.

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Line Item Veto would be one of the worst things to ever happen.
    Obviously. It would put a stop to pork barrel spending.

    Other than that, it wouldn't do much.

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Seriously, the worst idea ever. It could basically make a king out of the president.

    The best idea is single issue/item bills.
    Are you capable of explaining the function of the veto as currently practised in the US government?

    Are you able to explain how the current form of veto allows the Congress to impose it's will on the Executive?

    Outside of the fact that the Line Item Veto is the only means to control pork spending so far mentioned on this thread, what's the real basis of your opposition to it?

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    One subject at a time per bill. It would be the only way to get this to work. A line item veto would only stop pork from one side at a time. One item per bill would take forever. It is hard to say what would or would not work.
    Right, and the side that gets it's pork cut isn't going to vote for the other side's pork. so it's not as likely to get included in the bill.

    Seriously, are you people that ignorant of the backroom dealing that goes on to get bills passed?

    Also....if only one party's pork is getting passed....isn't that a significant reduction in pork.....hmmmmm?

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think the only really effective, practical solution is a president who is willing to veto any bill with pork, and keep vetoing it until all the pork is gone, and willing to do that for every bill that crosses his desk with pork. Won't happen, but the rest just won't work, are impractical, and line item veto is downright dangerous.
    Not possible, not practical. Why do you think the slugs in Congress put so much pork on so-called "must pass" legislation, like their evil back-door attachment of Mental Health to the "urgent" and "emergency" bank bailout bill handed to Bush in 2008?

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Okay, so we've demonstrated the irrational fear of using the president to limit the unlawful powers of Congress via the Line Item Veto Amendment.

    How about this to limit pork:

    Move the tax filing deadline from April 15 to November 1st, which is within one week of the federal elections. Put taxes and elections in close proximity, see what happens.

    Here's another one:

    End employer tax withholdings, require taxpayers to write a check for their taxes. They write rent checks, they write mortgage checks, they write checks for car payments and electric bills, they can keep their cell phone payments up, so don't give any nonsense about them not being able to write a check for their taxes. Make them AWARE of how much their money each month is going to the government.

    To be fair, each year send the public an itemized list of what their money is being spent on, and how their Congressman voted for those appropriations.

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Are you capable of explaining the function of the veto as currently practised in the US government?

    Are you able to explain how the current form of veto allows the Congress to impose it's will on the Executive?
    A line veto just means the president can cross off what ever he doesn't want in a bill, it doesn't mean he will use that to cross off pork spending. He may even keep pork spending in hopes the house and senate will put something in a bill that he wants.

    I could be wrong ,but wouldn't this be the results of a line item veto if a Obama was given a immigration reform compromise ?

    Another immigration compromise bill.
    Amnesty for 12-20 million illegals.
    Funds to hire additional border guards. vetoed
    Free legal assistance for illegals seeking amnesty.
    Funds to build a wall on the border. vetoed
    Easier access to foreign labor.
    Funds to hire additional ice agents. vetoed
    transportation assistance for the families of illegals seeking amnesty.
    A ban on all future amnesties. vetoed
    illegal immigration a felony for the first offense.vetoed
    Hiring illegals subject to imprisonment and assets forfeiture.vetoed








    Outside of the fact that the Line Item Veto is the only means to control pork spending so far mentioned on this thread, what's the real basis of your opposition to it?
    People are less likely to steal when they know for a fact they are being watched. I imagine that if senator douchbag knew that everyone and their mom can just pull up a video of him giving funding to a dirt museum then more than likely he won't do it seeing how his political opponents can use this against him.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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