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  • Make politicians read out loud the whole entire bill.......

    9 42.86%
  • Make politicians read out loud the amendments they add to bills.....

    8 38.10%
  • Make politicians read out loud the amendments they remove from bills ...

    7 33.33%
  • Require politicians by law to read the bills before they vote on them....

    10 47.62%
  • Require all politicians to explain on tv why the are for or against or abstain from voting....

    6 28.57%
  • One subject at a time per bill law.

    14 66.67%
  • Letting the president have Line item veto.

    6 28.57%
  • other idea

    7 33.33%
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Thread: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    That particular power? Sure. Vetoed items can be overridden. Check...then....(gasp!) balance.
    can you point me to the section where COTUS gives the Executive branch the right to produce legislation? LIV essentially allows the Executive branch to supersede the rights of the Legislative by crafting its own bill.

    For someone who complains about lack of constitutional adherence, you sure don't seem to have a problem with ignoring COTUS here.
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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Every bill/project dedicating dollars to a specific state/district needs to explain why that state or district needs federal tax funds for that project.

    (If states shipped fewer tax dollars off to Washington, they'd have more tax dollars to spend on such projects.)

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Line Item Veto, of course.

    If I was going to write "other", I would say require each line spending item be accompanied by a citing of the relevant clause of the Constitution permitting the spending, and noting that "general welfare" doesn't authorize any spending, rather, the specific items in Article 1 Section 8 are how the Congress is permitted to enhance the general welfare.
    Line Item Veto would be one of the worst things to ever happen.

    That should never ever be a part of a presidents already inflated powers.
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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    As others said, most of that list is impractical. Furthermore, the sheer boredom that would ensue would allow much of the pork to get through anyways.
    How would it be impossible for a politician to read out the bills or amendments he or she has authored in front of tv cameras? Surely this would keep them from writing lengthy bills if they have to physically stand there and read the bill out loud in front of a tv and explain in layman's terms what he bill is and why we need it. I know that if I had to stand up in front of everyone and read something that I wrote as well as explain in layman's terms what it means and why we need I would keep it short as possible.
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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Line Item Veto would be one of the worst things to ever happen.

    That should never ever be a part of a presidents already inflated powers.
    I agree. A line item veto would be a horrible idea. For example they come up with another immigration reform compromise a pro-illegals president like Bush or Obama would simply veto all the enforcement and penalty provisions and keep all the amnesty parts of the bill and the anti-illegal immigration side got suckered into basically sending the president the biggest amnesty package ever..
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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I agree. A line item veto would be a horrible idea. For example they come up with another immigration reform compromise a pro-illegals president like Bush or Obama would simply veto all the enforcement and penalty provisions and keep all the amnesty parts of the bill and the anti-illegal immigration side got suckered into basically sending the president the biggest amnesty package ever..
    Seriously, the worst idea ever. It could basically make a king out of the president.

    The best idea is single issue/item bills.
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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How would it be impossible for a politician to read out the bills or amendments he or she has authored in front of tv cameras? Surely this would keep them from writing lengthy bills if they have to physically stand there and read the bill out loud in front of a tv and explain in layman's terms what he bill is and why we need it. I know that if I had to stand up in front of everyone and read something that I wrote as well as explain in layman's terms what it means and why we need I would keep it short as possible.
    It wouldn't be impossible, just impractical. Congressmen would do it if they had to, but no one would care. It's not as though the average person would be attentively tuned into C-SPAN and jump out of their chair in rage when the congressman said "Section 42, B, ii) Allocates $20 million for the walnut festival in Peoria, Illinois." Besides, all of that information is already available online to anyone who wants it.
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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Some of those are impractical. Making it one subject at a time per bill law would prevent the need for the rest. Line-item might help, but it would probably only cut down the pork from one party and increase it from the other.

    Also, another way to cut down on pork spending is to buy your bacon in bulk.
    I think your under some delusion of how important government is.
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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    One subject at a time per bill. It would be the only way to get this to work. A line item veto would only stop pork from one side at a time. One item per bill would take forever. It is hard to say what would or would not work.

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    Re: Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

    I think the only really effective, practical solution is a president who is willing to veto any bill with pork, and keep vetoing it until all the pork is gone, and willing to do that for every bill that crosses his desk with pork. Won't happen, but the rest just won't work, are impractical, and line item veto is downright dangerous.

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