Is it racist?

[bub]

According to you, is it condemnable to want to get ethnic purity in a country? Or is it acceptable? Why/Why not?

 

[celticlord]

Ethnic "purity" is a fiction, an ultimately self-destructive delusion that serves no useful purpose.

Anyone pursuing it deserves the miserable death that is likely to be their end.

 

[kaya'08]

According to you, is it condemnable to want to get ethnic purity in a country? Or is it acceptable? Why/Why not?

Condemnable. In order to achieve ethnic purity, your obviously going to have to be racist somwhere down the line, arent you?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Depends on what you mean by "ethnic" and really what you mean by "purity."

I've said it before that "race" is a superstition. The idea that Irish and Albanians have anything in common by virtue of sharing a "race" that Irish and Koreans or Albanians and Kenyans do not is ludicrous.

But ethnicities and nationalities are something real, and they are more than just words on official pieces of paper.

I think the desire to have only those people within your country-- within your nation's official territory-- that speak your language, share your culture, and identify themselves first and foremost as members of your nation is not only normal, but praiseworthy. I think wanting to abolish segregated and distinct minority groups within your nation, and to bring your people together and make them whole, is noble.

But I think discrimination against people who are members of your nation and your culture on the grounds of superficial physical differences is foolish and wrong.

 

[Kali]

Of course it is racist. Of course it is not acceptable! Come On Dude

 

[Hatuey]

Depends on what you mean by 'getting' ethnic purity. Are we talking about putting Jews in gas chambers and hitting the on switch? No. Are we talking about starting your own country full of black people with no white people allowed? No. Are we talking about lynching black women so they won't give birth to black babies? No. It really boils down to what you mean by 'getting' ethnic purity.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

According to you, is it condemnable to want to get ethnic purity in a country? Or is it acceptable? Why/Why not?

Hmmm,,,bub, how about defining ethnic purity. Tell us what you are meaning, here.

 

[bub]

Hmmm,,,bub, how about defining ethnic purity. Tell us what you are meaning, here.

ethnic homogeneity. I've heard a guy in the newspapers who wanted to make Belgium ethnicaly homogeneous and separate Belgians from immigrants

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

ethnic homogeneity. I've heard a guy in the newspapers who wanted to make Belgium ethnicaly homogeneous and separate Belgians from immigrants

So you are asking is it racist for someone to want to have one and only one ethnicity in their country, or to separate out all other ethnicities except a specific one, having a hierarchy of sorts. An I correct?

 

[bub]

So you are asking is it racist for someone to want to have one and only one ethnicity in their country, or to separate out all other ethnicities except a specific one, having a hierarchy of sorts. An I correct?

Yes exactly: do you think it is condemnable to want that? On what grounds? Human rights?!

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Yes exactly: do you think it is condemnable to want that? On what grounds? Human rights?!

Based on the definition that I gave and you agreed with, I would say that this form or racism is condemnable. As far as the ground for this, for me it would be moral. The level of oppression would lead me to determine whether it was a human rights violation or not.

Can you link to the article about the Belgian situation? I hadn't heard about it.

 

[bub]

Based on the definition that I gave and you agreed with, I would say that this form or racism is condemnable. As far as the ground for this, for me it would be moral. The level of oppression would lead me to determine whether it was a human rights violation or not.

Can you link to the article about the Belgian situation? I hadn't heard about it.

In fact it is not new, but I wanted to see the reaction of people who didn't know the situation

It was in 2004, 3 associations related to the Vlaams Blok (Flemish nationalist party) were condemned and banned for racism:

On November 9, 2004, the Belgian Supreme Court upheld a decision of the Appeal court of Ghent ruling that three organizations associated with the Vlaams Blok were in contempt with the 1981 Belgian law on racism and xenophobia, or more precisely that the party pursued permanent incitement to discrimination and racial segregation. The Supreme Court held that the prohibition to pursue discrimination and segregation in an obvious and sustained manner is also applicable to political parties (press release in Dutch [8] and in French [9], see decision in Dutch below).

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlaams_Blok]Vlaams Blok - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The trial is there:

http://www.juridat.be/jurispdf/R/C/04/B/RC04B91.pdf

The Vlaams Blok also had a "70-steps program" to create an ethnicaly homogeneous state

Blokwatch - Nationale webstek over het Vlaams Belang - Het 70-puntenplan (versie 1992)

The main points of this "solution to immigration" were
- to inform our people
- to protect the unity (eigenheid?) of our people: avoid integration of foreigners, no vote right for foreigners, separate education for non-European foreigners...
- application of the "our people first" policy
- application of strong nationalist laws: avoid naturalisation of foreigners
- prevent massive immigration from abroad
- expulsion of foreigners in three phases: illegals and criminals ; 1st and 2nd generation ; 3rd generation

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

In fact it is not new, but I wanted to see the reaction of people who didn't know the situation

It was in 2004, 3 associations related to the Vlaams Blok (Flemish nationalist party) were condemned and banned for racism:

On November 9, 2004, the Belgian Supreme Court upheld a decision of the Appeal court of Ghent ruling that three organizations associated with the Vlaams Blok were in contempt with the 1981 Belgian law on racism and xenophobia, or more precisely that the party pursued permanent incitement to discrimination and racial segregation. The Supreme Court held that the prohibition to pursue discrimination and segregation in an obvious and sustained manner is also applicable to political parties (press release in Dutch [8] and in French [9], see decision in Dutch below).

Vlaams Blok - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The trial is there:

http://www.juridat.be/jurispdf/R/C/04/B/RC04B91.pdf

The Vlaams Blok also had a "70-steps program" to create an ethnicaly homogeneous state

Blokwatch - Nationale webstek over het Vlaams Belang - Het 70-puntenplan (versie 1992)

The main points of this "solution to immigration" were
- to inform our people
- to protect the unity (eigenheid?) of our people: avoid integration of foreigners, no vote right for foreigners, separate education for non-European foreigners...
- application of the "our people first" policy
- application of strong nationalist laws: avoid naturalisation of foreigners
- prevent massive immigration from abroad
- expulsion of foreigners in three phases: illegals and criminals ; 1st and 2nd generation ; 3rd generation

Wow. I had no idea. This certainly sounds racist and abhorrent to me. And there are some human rights violations mixed in here, similar to some of the separate bute equal laws in the US from the late 19th century to the mid 20th century...but go even further like eliminating voting rights, and expulsion.

I tried to find a link to the "70 steps, but they're all in Dutch. Know of an English version?

 

[bub]

Wow. I had no idea. This certainly sounds racist and abhorrent to me. And there are some human rights violations mixed in here, similar to some of the separate bute equal laws in the US from the late 19th century to the mid 20th century...but go even further like eliminating voting rights, and expulsion.

I tried to find a link to the "70 steps, but they're all in Dutch. Know of an English version?

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/70_steps_plan]70 steps plan (Belgium) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

I can't find any translation in English or even in French...try googletranslate!

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

70 steps plan (Belgium) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can't find any translation in English or even in French...try googletranslate!

Worked great. Pretty racist stuff, sounding eerily familiar to some of the white nationalist crap we hear in the US. Quite a bit of anti-Muslim stuff, too.

 

[bub]

Worked great. Pretty racist stuff, sounding eerily familiar to some of the white nationalist crap we hear in the US. Quite a bit of anti-Muslim stuff, too.

Fortunately they were sued and banned.
Another political party was created with the same people and the same ideas, the "Vlaams Belang"
They're not openly racist anymore but there is a "cordon sanitaire" around them: no other political party is going to make a coalition with them, so they'll never be part of the government of Flanders or the federal government.

A funny thing...they want to deport foreigners...what are they gonna do with the royal family? Our 2 queens are Italian and Spanish!

 

[kaya'08]

Fortunately they were sued and banned.
Another political party was created with the same people and the same ideas, the "Vlaams Belang"
They're not openly racist anymore but there is a "cordon sanitaire" around them: no other political party is going to make a coalition with them, so they'll never be part of the government of Flanders or the federal government.

A funny thing...they want to deport foreigners...what are they gonna do with the royal family? Our 2 queens are Italian and Spanish!

What country is this?

 

[earthworm]

This poll belongs in the "basement", or lower..

 

[George VI]

I'll tell you what's racist.

When is it okay to have a party in Government that only promotes Maori interests? It's name is the Maori Party, all their policies are directed to maori enpowerment, and to steal land off the Pakehas (Non-Maori). They want Maori to have top-priority when it comes to getting jobs, because "Maori are really disenfranchised", they want Maori to own all the beaches in New Zealand, and be in all corners of Government.

They will squabble to whomever has the majority in Parliament. Last year they were in a left-wing coalition in Government, this year, because Labour lost, they quickly re-invented themselves as a right-wing political party, so to unite with the National Party, who are in government at the moment.

But you know when a white man creates a white party, he and his party are labelled as racist, the kkk, bigots, etc. But it's okay to have a Maori Party, that's only interested in what they call "Maori enpowerment".

It's like the feminist movement all over again.

 

[UtahBill]

an ethnically pure race is one disease away from extinction....
Remember the potato famine in Ireland? they were growing ONE kind of potato and the disease that hit that ONE kind almost destroyed Ireland.
Works for humans as well.....

 

[Khayembii Communique]

It's not only racist; it's simply impossible. There is no objective way to distinguish between different ethnicities, much in the same way that it is impossible to objectively distinguish between different races.

 

[earthworm]

I'll tell you what's racist.

When is it okay to have a party in Government that only promotes Maori interests? It's name is the Maori Party, all their policies are directed to maori empowerment, and to steal land off the Pakehas (Non-Maori). They want Maori to have top-priority when it comes to getting jobs, because "Maori are really disenfranchised", they want Maori to own all the beaches in New Zealand, and be in all corners of Government.

They will squabble to whomever has the majority in Parliament. Last year they were in a left-wing coalition in Government, this year, because Labour lost, they quickly re-invented themselves as a right-wing political party, so to unite with the National Party, who are in government at the moment.

But you know when a white man creates a white party, he and his party are labeled as racist, the kkk, bigots, etc. But it's okay to have a Maori Party, that's only interested in what they call "Maori empowerment".

It's like the feminist movement all over again.

I think our nation could learn much from New Zealand, particularly in the arena of what not to do in so-called race relations....