If someone in your Family

If someone in your family admitted to torturing another human being or animal, would you forgive them?

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Answer yes or no or not at all.

Assuming you hold yourself responsible for your emotions and the way you feel about things as opposed to blaming others for your feelings.

Saboteur said:

If someone in your family admitted to torturing another human being or animal, would you forgive them?

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Of course I wont, I will kill him if he did :rofl

Saboteur said:

If someone in your family admitted to torturing another human being or animal, would you forgive them?

Can't find the Poll controlls.

Answer yes or no or not at all.

Assuming you hold yourself responsible for your emotions and the way you feel about things as opposed to blaming others for your feelings.

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Animal? I'd be very unhappy, there's never any call for that. Note that I do not deem legitimate scientific inquiry as "torture".

Human? Depends on why.

Saboteur said:

If someone in your family admitted to torturing another human being or animal, would you forgive them?

Can't find the Poll controlls.

Answer yes or no or not at all.

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Why is there no "other" possibility? I have an answer that is not applicable concerning your options.

With the only options being "yes" or "no", my answer has to be "no". I would not forgive.

(because there would be nothing for me to forgive)

Why would I hold a grudge against someone who has not done anything to me or someone or something I care about? Thats like stupid retarded pc politicians offering apologies (actually they are forcing everyone they represent to apologize since they are a representative of the people.So what ever they do they do on our behalf) to people who are no longer around and people they never did anything wrong to.

Saboteur said:

If someone in your family admitted to torturing another human being or animal, would you forgive them?

Can't find the Poll controlls.

Answer yes or no or not at all.

Assuming you hold yourself responsible for your emotions and the way you feel about things as opposed to blaming others for your feelings.

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An animal I would only forgive if they understand the sickness and change their evil ways.

A human I suppose It would be the same but they should pay for their crime in a legal manner.

If they tortured someone who was withholding information where someone was being held hostage or the like....then I would help!

Given how my family raised me to respect life, I would probably forgive them, but never trust them again.

Depends...

Animals are property, what someone does with that property is none of my business. Now if they infringe and hurt someones pet etc then they should pay restitution.

Don't get me wrong, I do love animals. This of course does not change the fact they are not human and have no rights, although laws do exist to protect them in some cases.

You can tell allot about a person or even a society by how they treat animals.

If someone did this to a human I would have to forgive them, this does not mean they can escape punishment for said action.

I don't see how you can put humans and animals into the same boat.

There would be a whole lot of deep questioning as to why they did what they did before I ever got moved to anger toward that would require forgiveness to be an issue.

If it were senseless, things would never be the same again.

If it were for a reason that had noble ends and he had explored other options first, I would not think twice about commending him for it.

Hell no.
I'll direct them to a mental hospital.

Saboteur said:

If someone in your family admitted to torturing another human being or animal, would you forgive them?

Can't find the Poll controlls.

Answer yes or no or not at all.

Assuming you hold yourself responsible for your emotions and the way you feel about things as opposed to blaming others for your feelings.

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For no reason?

I'd turn him/her in.


If i was my dog, I'd shoot him/her.

If someone in my family did something like that, I'd hang the little bastard by his fingernails. :mrgreen:

It depends, did I torture this confession out of them?

Saboteur said:

If someone in your family admitted to torturing another human being or animal, would you forgive them?

Can't find the Poll controlls.

Answer yes or no or not at all.

Assuming you hold yourself responsible for your emotions and the way you feel about things as opposed to blaming others for your feelings.

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It's not for me to forgive.

taking the life of another or driving another to wish for naught but death is an unforgivable sin. even if i disliked whomever or whatever they tortured or killed, it's still unforgivable. thats completely horrid.

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If someone in your family admitted to torturing another human being or animal, would you forgive them?

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Not a chance. I was raised better than to torture anything.

Except slugs.



Hell, I don't even torture them. I just cut 'em in half and call it good (lots of folks use salt to disintegrate them - quite brutal).

Curious Cat said:

taking the life of another or driving another to wish for naught but death is an unforgivable sin. even if i disliked whomever or whatever they tortured or killed, it's still unforgivable. thats completely horrid.

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Possibly you didn't express yourself fully and completely above. Otherwise I'd have to assume you weren't thinking this through.

Taking life is justified under a number of circumstances. Self-defense against a lethal threat is widely held to be justified, for one example. Executing someone who is a major threat to society (ie mass murderers) is also rather widely held to be justified.


As to the question that was asked, I'd have to say "it depends". Was there a compelling reason? What was the motive, the circumstances? Barring some kind of justification that involved saving more lives than were ruined, I'd tend to say no.

If it was a classical "little girl is buried alive and runs out of air in 6 hours, this man knows where she is and won't talk,"... well then pass me the pliers and heat up the blowtorch! :mrgreen:

Scum who have given up their humanity do not deserve the same consideration that decent humans deserve.

G.

Goshin said:

Possibly you didn't express yourself fully and completely above. Otherwise I'd have to assume you weren't thinking this through.

Taking life is justified under a number of circumstances. Self-defense against a lethal threat is widely held to be justified, for one example. Executing someone who is a major threat to society (ie mass murderers) is also rather widely held to be justified.


As to the question that was asked, I'd have to say "it depends". Was there a compelling reason? What was the motive, the circumstances? Barring some kind of justification that involved saving more lives than were ruined, I'd tend to say no.

If it was a classical "little girl is buried alive and runs out of air in 6 hours, this man knows where she is and won't talk,"... well then pass me the pliers and heat up the blowtorch! :mrgreen:

Scum who have given up their humanity do not deserve the same consideration that decent humans deserve.

G.

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excuse me, you are right. i meant just an innocent human. but i have definite exceptions for murderers [unless it was manslaughter or self-defense]. but i still do not agree with animals. id just try to get them unconscious if possible. if theres no other way, then id forgive someone if they tried.
but if its just for fun, then hell no, id never forgive.
so i guess i agree with you on this, and no, i was not thinking it through.

Blackdog said:

Depends...

Animals are property, what someone does with that property is none of my business. Now if they infringe and hurt someones pet etc then they should pay restitution.

Don't get me wrong, I do love animals. This of course does not change the fact they are not human and have no rights, although laws do exist to protect them in some cases.

You can tell allot about a person or even a society by how they treat animals.

If someone did this to a human I would have to forgive them, this does not mean they can escape punishment for said action.

I don't see how you can put humans and animals into the same boat.

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Humans are animals, granted, animals with self-awareness and the foreknowledge that they will someday die. But human or animal, torture is inhumane and in my opinion even more cruel when animals are the victims since they have no idea why they're are being harmed in such a way.

Jerry said:

It's not for me to forgive.

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Well then would you let them in your house?

Blackdog said:

Depends...

Animals are property, what someone does with that property is none of my business. Now if they infringe and hurt someones pet etc then they should pay restitution.

Don't get me wrong, I do love animals. This of course does not change the fact they are not human and have no rights, although laws do exist to protect them in some cases.

I don't see how you can put humans and animals into the same boat.

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animals are NOT property!!! they have thoughts and feeling just as humans do!!! and its simple because humans are just another type of animal, as saboteur said. its just inhumane!!!! how can you love animals yet think of them as property?! thats just so low!!!

Animals are typically owned, and are therefore a form of property. They have certain rights in that there are laws against mistreatment or abuse of same, but they are indeed property legally speaking.

I don't believe humans are animals. Between the highest of animals and the lowest of humans is a huge gap; reason and logic, language and culture, science and technology, and the spiritual aspects of life, are things no animal comes close to reaching.

Having said that, I like animals, and I treat mine well... but I don't get anthropomorphic about them and pretend they are like lesser humans. They are not sapient.

G.

Curious Cat said:

animals are NOT property!!!

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Screaming about it makes them no less property.

Every time someone eats a pork chop etc. this is confirmed. We have entire industry's built around animals being property, and this is not likely to ever change as we eat, experiment and wear animals.

Curious Cat said:

they have thoughts and feeling just as humans do!!!

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Some have similar thoughts or patterns, some don't. Lets face it an alligator has a brain the size of a large marble. Not much in the way of feelings going on. Lets not even go into mice etc. who show very little in the way of anything outside of pure instinct.

Curious Cat said:

and its simple because humans are just another type of animal, as saboteur said. its just inhumane!!!!

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We are most certainly not just another type of animal. Let me clue you in...

Only human beings have the ability to choose between right and wrong. Only humans can pass on collected knowledge of virtuous behavior from generation to generation, and only we possess a conscience that submits to an authority that is greater than ourselves.

Only human beings can appreciate art and culture. Only human beings can appreciate the beauty of the natural world around us.

We are much more than just an animal.

Curious Cat said:

how can you love animals yet think of them as property?! thats just so low!!!

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Well because animals have no concept of self-restraint or decency. Humans are able to make that distinction. Animals act predominantly on instinct, making decisions according to what feels good and what feels bad. Human beings can choose not act on feelings alone, they can go by the knowledge of what is good for them and good for others. Yes, there are times when it is appropriate to trust your gut feelings, and even to allow your emotions to get the best of you. But there are plenty of times when that is not the case. Animals on the other hand can not do this on any level.

Now if you can go back to the topic of this thread it would be nice.

Welcome to the forums.

Saboteur said:

Humans are animals, granted, animals with self-awareness and the foreknowledge that they will someday die. But human or animal, torture is inhumane and in my opinion even more cruel when animals are the victims since they have no idea why they're are being harmed in such a way.

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This has little to do with anything I said, and sounds more like a PETA rant.

Please read what I said and understand instead of just making a knee jerk reaction based on limited perception of what I said.