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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    A human wouldn't know why they are being harmed in such a way if the person was torturing them in order to get their jollies.
    That is true, though I think a person in the clutches of a sadistic seriel killer would figure out their tormentor was sick pretty quickly. I mean we are benevolent beings deserving of not really dying when our body is damaged or too old to keep going right?
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    Well like you said yourself, animals are less than humans, lack the ability to reason, and act on instinct. So to use torture to punish an animal for doing what comes naturally to it, in my opinion is more wrong than torturing a human for a reason. But that's just me. Would you like to point out where I said you should have the same opinion?
    #1 Who said anything about using torture to punish anything or anyone for any reason at all. Certainly was not me.

    #2 Excuse me for pointing out that it sounded like a PETA line. Next time I will just lie to you to spare your feelings.

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    Also, I eat meat and love it. Though I don't go bragging about how I like my steak rare or feel like a powerfull benevolent human that kills and eats animals for pleasure. Instead, I eat because I have too in order to stay alive. Just like an animal does, huh funny, gee
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    If you can't commit to it I don't think you'll get much out of it. How about this question;

    If torture is such an effective way to get information would you just spill the beans before even getting touched or would you tough it out even though you know you'll eventually break?
    I once held a top secret crypto clearance, and even then knew nothing worth torturing me for. I didn't have access to the codes/cards, just had the clearance so I could repair them....so I would tell them anything and everything, since it would have no value to them at all.

    BTW, at one of my duty stations, that question was posed to a fellow sailor by a junior officer, and he said he would probably spill his guts, and the officer wrote him up. A senior officer stopped the process, and the junior officer got reprimanded.....
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    That is true, though I think a person in the clutches of a sadistic seriel killer would figure out their tormentor was sick pretty quickly.
    So? Would that give them insight as to why they are being tortured, or would it just raise the "why me" question?

    And how would that be less cruel than torturing animals?

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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I once held a top secret crypto clearance, and even then knew nothing worth torturing me for. I didn't have access to the codes/cards, just had the clearance so I could repair them....so I would tell them anything and everything, since it would have no value to them at all.

    BTW, at one of my duty stations, that question was posed to a fellow sailor by a junior officer, and he said he would probably spill his guts, and the officer wrote him up. A senior officer stopped the process, and the junior officer got reprimanded.....
    So then what would you think if they proceeded to torture you because they believed you knew more?

    Would you make something up?
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    So then what would you think if they proceeded to torture you because they believed you knew more?

    Would you make something up?
    Why do you keep changing the goal posts? Fishing for an answer you want?

    PS The reason I ask is because his answer (at least to me) seems pretty obvious.
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So? Would that give them insight as to why they are being tortured, or would it just raise the "why me" question?

    And how would that be less cruel than torturing animals?
    At least the victim has the opportunity to beg or bargan. I know that it wouldn't work and perhaps even highten the satifaction of the torturer but an animal can only scream.

    I realize we are talking about several different kinds of torture and as many mind sets that it would take for someone to commit the act. This is why I tried to avoid the '24 scenario' people have been throwing around lately in the OP. I figure if Ethreal can get away with the black and white hypothesis and explain it that way 4 pages later I can do it too. Or is that a double standard I can't bypass?
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    I figure if Ethreal can get away with the black and white hypothesis and explain it that way 4 pages later I can do it too. Or is that a double standard I can't bypass?
    He did not get away with anything, he was challenged quite a few times.


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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    So then what would you think if they proceeded to torture you because they believed you knew more?

    Would you make something up?
    most likely,,,,but an interrrogator probably wouldn't understand the technology, and would have to have someone on hand that does, and surely THAT person would know that the ability to repair something has little to do with the technology involved to create it. Techs rarely get tortured.
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    #1 Who said anything about using torture to punish anything or anyone for any reason at all. Certainly was not me.
    Read the OP, I gave no reason for the torture avoid all these scenarios. It's simple really.

    #2 Excuse me for pointing out that it sounded like a PETA line. Next time I will just lie to you to spare your feelings.
    I don't want you to lie or think my feelings need to be spared.

    Man lighten up.
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