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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This has little to do with anything I said, and sounds more like a PETA rant.

    Please read what I said and understand instead of just making a knee jerk reaction based on limited perception of what I said.
    I read what you said and don't disagree with your point of view on the difference between animals and humans. I was just addressing your wonder at how I put humans and animals on the same boat.

    Though, it doesn't seem that you understood what I said and just wrote it off like a "PETA rant". I'm not sure which one of us is really coming off as "knee jerk".
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Using the "24 scenario" as an excuse to answer the tough questions, indicates to me, you all are not as "righteous" as you all claim.


    Why won't you answer the question?
    Um you're the one who added a scenario here. I didn't put one here on purpose, justification does not change the fact that someone in your family had the mental will power to slowly destroy another living being that had no way to defend itself. To me that will power seems more than a little sociopathic, you know, like serial killers are?

    Honestly, if there was a situation where I was asked to torture someone and it was 'morally justified by popular vote', I don't think I actually have it in me to do it. No matter what the circumstance. I killed a pigeon with a BB gun once. I felt terrible for weeks after that... for a freaking pigeon!
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Perham View Post
    the only one that has the potential to do something like that in my family is me, and no, I'm never going to forgive myself if I ever do that!!
    Though I sense that you are being sarcastic, you actually have a point. Even the most battle hardend soliders have feelings of guilt for killing the enemy.
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    Um you're the one who added a scenario here. I didn't put one here on purpose, justification does not change the fact that someone in your family had the mental will power to slowly destroy another living being that had no way to defend itself. To me that will power seems more than a little sociopathic, you know, like serial killers are?

    Sociopathic means that you have no empathy. Torturing someone to save a family member does not mean you feel bad for doing what must be done.

    There is a stark difference.

    Honestly, if there was a situation where I was asked to torture someone and it was 'morally justified by popular vote', I don't think I actually have it in me to do it. No matter what the circumstance. I killed a pigeon with a BB gun once. I felt terrible for weeks after that... for a freaking pigeon!


    That's too bad. For the sake of a family member in trouble, I sure hope I do.


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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    Though I sense that you are being sarcastic, you actually have a point. Even the most battle hardend soliders have feelings of guilt for killing the enemy.
    With age it get worse, you find you cannot recognise them as an enemy.

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    Re: If someone in your Family

    an animal, no, that is sick.....
    a human, depends.....
    if the human was part of a team of kidnappers who had one of my family hidden somewhere, I would get the truth out of him one way or another...

    Not saying I would enjoy it, but I would do it...
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    I read what you said and don't disagree with your point of view on the difference between animals and humans. I was just addressing your wonder at how I put humans and animals on the same boat.
    I understand that. It still comes off like a PETA rant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    Though, it doesn't seem that you understood what I said and just wrote it off like a "PETA rant". I'm not sure which one of us is really coming off as "knee jerk".
    I understood what you said and it still comes of as a PETA rant. I agree torture is wrong, period, but you seem to think torturing an animal is somehow worse than humans?

    "But human or animal, torture is inhumane and in my opinion even more cruel when animals are the victims since they have no idea why they're are being harmed in such a way." - Saboteur

    If that is not something a PETA member would say, I don't know what is.

    I am also a member of PETA: People eating tasty animals.


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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    an animal, no, that is sick.....
    a human, depends.....
    if the human was part of a team of kidnappers who had one of my family hidden somewhere, I would get the truth out of him one way or another...

    Not saying I would enjoy it, but I would do it...
    If you can't commit to it I don't think you'll get much out of it. How about this question;

    If torture is such an effective way to get information would you just spill the beans before even getting touched or would you tough it out even though you know you'll eventually break?
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    A human wouldn't know why they are being harmed in such a way if the person was torturing them in order to get their jollies.

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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I understand that. It still comes off like a PETA rant.



    I understood what you said and it still comes of as a PETA rant. I agree torture is wrong, period, but you seem to think torturing an animal is somehow worse than humans?

    "But human or animal, torture is inhumane and in my opinion even more cruel when animals are the victims since they have no idea why they're are being harmed in such a way." - Saboteur

    If that is not something a PETA member would say, I don't know what is.

    I am also a member of PETA: People eating tasty animals.
    Well like you said yourself, animals are less than humans, lack the ability to reason, and act on instinct. So to use torture to punish an animal for doing what comes naturally to it, in my opinion is more wrong than torturing a human for a reason. But that's just me. Would you like to point out where I said you should have the same opinion?

    Also, I eat meat and love it. Though I don't go bragging about how I like my steak rare or feel like a powerfull benevolent human that kills and eats animals for pleasure. Instead, I eat because I have too in order to stay alive. Just like an animal does, huh funny, gee
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