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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's not for me to forgive.
    Well then would you let them in your house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Depends...

    Animals are property, what someone does with that property is none of my business. Now if they infringe and hurt someones pet etc then they should pay restitution.

    Don't get me wrong, I do love animals. This of course does not change the fact they are not human and have no rights, although laws do exist to protect them in some cases.

    I don't see how you can put humans and animals into the same boat.
    animals are NOT property!!! they have thoughts and feeling just as humans do!!! and its simple because humans are just another type of animal, as saboteur said. its just inhumane!!!! how can you love animals yet think of them as property?! thats just so low!!!
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Animals are typically owned, and are therefore a form of property. They have certain rights in that there are laws against mistreatment or abuse of same, but they are indeed property legally speaking.

    I don't believe humans are animals. Between the highest of animals and the lowest of humans is a huge gap; reason and logic, language and culture, science and technology, and the spiritual aspects of life, are things no animal comes close to reaching.

    Having said that, I like animals, and I treat mine well... but I don't get anthropomorphic about them and pretend they are like lesser humans. They are not sapient.

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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Cat View Post
    animals are NOT property!!!
    Screaming about it makes them no less property.

    Every time someone eats a pork chop etc. this is confirmed. We have entire industry's built around animals being property, and this is not likely to ever change as we eat, experiment and wear animals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Cat View Post
    they have thoughts and feeling just as humans do!!!
    Some have similar thoughts or patterns, some don't. Lets face it an alligator has a brain the size of a large marble. Not much in the way of feelings going on. Lets not even go into mice etc. who show very little in the way of anything outside of pure instinct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Cat View Post
    and its simple because humans are just another type of animal, as saboteur said. its just inhumane!!!!
    We are most certainly not just another type of animal. Let me clue you in...

    Only human beings have the ability to choose between right and wrong. Only humans can pass on collected knowledge of virtuous behavior from generation to generation, and only we possess a conscience that submits to an authority that is greater than ourselves.

    Only human beings can appreciate art and culture. Only human beings can appreciate the beauty of the natural world around us.

    We are much more than just an animal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Cat View Post
    how can you love animals yet think of them as property?! thats just so low!!!
    Well because animals have no concept of self-restraint or decency. Humans are able to make that distinction. Animals act predominantly on instinct, making decisions according to what feels good and what feels bad. Human beings can choose not act on feelings alone, they can go by the knowledge of what is good for them and good for others. Yes, there are times when it is appropriate to trust your gut feelings, and even to allow your emotions to get the best of you. But there are plenty of times when that is not the case. Animals on the other hand can not do this on any level.

    Now if you can go back to the topic of this thread it would be nice.

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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    Humans are animals, granted, animals with self-awareness and the foreknowledge that they will someday die. But human or animal, torture is inhumane and in my opinion even more cruel when animals are the victims since they have no idea why they're are being harmed in such a way.
    This has little to do with anything I said, and sounds more like a PETA rant.

    Please read what I said and understand instead of just making a knee jerk reaction based on limited perception of what I said.


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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    If someone in your family admitted to torturing another human being or animal, would you forgive them?

    Can't find the Poll controlls.

    Answer yes or no or not at all.

    Assuming you hold yourself responsible for your emotions and the way you feel about things as opposed to blaming others for your feelings.
    If I discovered someone in my family had tortured another person or animal, I would drag them to the police station and dump them outside. I would never forgive them.

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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Perham View Post
    the only one that has the potential to do something like that in my family is me, and no, I'm never going to forgive myself if I ever do that!!
    those hats your brother and you had on to go fishing tortured me

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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Makedde View Post
    If I discovered someone in my family had tortured another person or animal, I would drag them to the police station and dump them outside. I would never forgive them.


    What if the reason they did was to rescue a sister, daughter, from a gang of murdering rapists?


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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What if the reason they did was to rescue a sister, daughter, from a gang of murdering rapists?
    I don't know, how did "The Last House On The Left" movie justifiy it?
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    Re: If someone in your Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    I don't know, how did "The Last House On The Left" movie justifiy it?



    Using the "24 scenario" as an excuse to answer the tough questions, indicates to me, you all are not as "righteous" as you all claim.


    Why won't you answer the question?


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