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  • In the military because it was their only option.

    2 11.11%
  • Young and naive, just following orders.

    2 11.11%
  • Uninformed and in dire need of newspapers.

    1 5.56%
  • Making a sacrifice on behalf of their country.

    14 77.78%
  • Serving with a purpose.

    14 77.78%
  • Cognizant of their purpose.

    14 77.78%
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Thread: Belzer and Maher, Smarter Than the Troops.

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    Re: Belzer and Maher, Smarter Than the Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In a democracy my friend. Opinion matters. In the military? Your opinion never did. Tell me. What kind of policy changes were you involved in? Did you disobey any orders without any kind of punishment? And if you did and said punishment was handed out. Could you have just decided you had enough and quit?
    Ok, I am starting to see what you are not understanding. Go back to the very first post. You actually quoted part of it, but then apparently stopped reading. I will post a more complete quote for you, so you can see where you went wrong.

    Richard Belzer (partisan hack/wash-up) elaborates on why the troops' opinion of the war is irrelevant. Fact is, the troops don't read as many newspapers as Belzer - sage guru that he is - therefore they must not be as informed as him.
    Note the very direct comparison between Belzer and the troops. See, it's there, if you read, you cannot miss it. The troops opinion on the war is in fact slightly more relevant than Belzer's. Now do you understand? It has nothing to do with whether troops can "quit", or chose not to deploy, or whether they can actually direct war policy.

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    Re: Belzer and Maher, Smarter Than the Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Regardless of the argument Belzer made, the troops opinion of the war is irrelevant. It was irrelevant when Bush sent them to war and it's going to be irrelevant when Obama pulls them out. End of story. You don't sign up into the military to give your opinion. You forfeit that the moment you put your name down on the dotted line.



    Is yours any more relevant? just wondering.


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    Re: Belzer and Maher, Smarter Than the Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Is yours any more relevant? just wondering.
    How about Belzer's?
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    Re: Belzer and Maher, Smarter Than the Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Regardless of the argument Belzer made, the troops opinion of the war is irrelevant. It was irrelevant when Bush sent them to war and it's going to be irrelevant when Obama pulls them out. End of story. You don't sign up into the military to give your opinion. You forfeit that the moment you put your name down on the dotted line.
    Not true.

    They re-enlist periodically, and if their opinion is negative, they leave and don't come back. That's what made that Cindy Sheehan broad so damned pathetic....her son had re-enlisted after being in Iraq for almost a full tour.

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    Re: Belzer and Maher, Smarter Than the Troops.

    The way Belzer rants and raves like a little boy when his opinion is questioned shows me he wont listen to any alternative opinions to his own.

    I actually find Bill maher funny but his show has just become so onesided he will have 1 conservative on against him and 2 liberals not to mention his audience of sheep.
    The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority. The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking.

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    Re: Belzer and Maher, Smarter Than the Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    All this silly 5th grade bull**** about how our troops have opinions usually comes from both sides though at different times. Liberals do it when it comes to a soldier not wanting to go to Iraq and Conservatives when it's about a soldier who want to go back into that **** hole in the desert. It's always one of two reactions to the opinions of our troops. Tear jerk or HOW DARE YOU! How dare anyone insinuate that the agreement our VOLUNTEER MILITARY makes with the U.S. government leaves their opinion out of the equation. All this **** about troop opinions like they're starving ethnic groups in China. They knew what they were getting into. Their opinions are irrelevant. Left or Right slanted. End of story.
    I personally care about their opinions more than civilians because they suffer the consequences hardest, not civilians making decisions. That being said, their opinion is just that and their job is based on the higher ups decisions, which are legally and contractually binding, so you are right that their opinion is irrelevant to outcome.
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    Re: Belzer and Maher, Smarter Than the Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    How about Belzer's?


    Is his relevant? Not to me.


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    Re: Belzer and Maher, Smarter Than the Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Richard Belzer (partisan hack/wash-up) elaborates on why the troops' opinion of the war is irrelevant. Fact is, the troops don't read as many newspapers as Belzer - sage guru that he is - therefore they must not be as informed as him. I want to rant and rave right now, because this really pisses me off, but I won't. I'll just say this, should I ever see Belzer or Maher in public I got a big goober with their names written all over it. That's a promise.

    YouTube - Belzer & Maher Calling Our Troops Uneducated Idiots

    So, my question is, do you agree with Belzer or Maher? Is there some underlying truth to their assertions or are they just a couple of elitist f***-heads?
    An Army is a team - lives, sleeps, eats, fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is a lot of crap. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for The Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real fighting, under fire, than they do about fornicating. We have the best food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best fighting men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity these poor sons-of-bitches we are going up against. By God, I do! -- Gen Patton
    Nuff said!
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