View Poll Results: Have you ever felt that you don't belong in your country?

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Thread: Do You Belong Here?

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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    I voted yes that last 8 years in America were pure Hell. The econonomy crapped out for the working poor like me on 9/12/2001 (take that Beck) Now we're hearing about how bad it is because all the richies that said I was "whinning and need to pull myself up by my boot straps" are screaming like little girls about how the million dollar home they bought isn't worth as much anymore. Boo efin' hoo shut up now whiners!
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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    What do you do for a living?
    I work in the mailroom of the HQ of a large national retail discount store. My largest raise in 16 years was .31 cents. I'm not a Burger King employee working for minimum wage but I have an unemployeed wife with a severe mental illness that we've tried to get SSI support for but like everybody who can't afford a lawyer to sue the state for it, we got turned down. We've lost our car to repossesion our condo in foreclosure and we have a mountain of medical bills from what I mentioned before. Even though I pay $200.00 a month in healthcare premiums and over $300.00 in perscriptions. We can barely afford a co-payment right now.
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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Never in my life have I thought I didn't belong here. I have ALWAYS known this is my country.

    This Is My Country

    This is my country! Land of my birth!
    This is my country! Grandest on earth!
    I pledge thee my allegiance, America, the bold,
    For this is my country to have and to hold.

    What diff'rence if I hail from North or South
    Or from the East or West?
    My heart is filled with love for all of these.
    I only know I swell with pride and deep within my breast
    I thrill to see Old Glory paint the breeze.

    With hand upon heart I thank the Lord For this my native land,
    For all I love is here within her gates.
    My soul is rooted deeply in the soil on which I stand,
    For these are mine own United States.

    This is my country! Land of my choice!
    This is my country! Hear my proud voice!
    I pledge thee my allegiance, America, the bold,
    For this is my country! To have and to hold.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Personally I've always wondered how you could have such intense patriotism for an entity the size of the US. It seems to me you don't know most of the places or people, sure you can have warm feelings towards the country but patriotism, I think that should start and be strongest in ones locale and region.

    Even my English patriotism is far less than that towards Wessex or Dorset.

    As Burke said: To love the little platoon we belong to in society, is the first principle (the germ as it were) of public affections.
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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Patriotism is the natural result of nationalism, and both are ingrained by federalism. No government can effectively run without a collective sense of unity and pride.

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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    American by birth!
    Southern by the Grace of God!

    I'm fine where I'm at thanks, as long as the Leftists don't screw it up too much.




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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Patriotism is the natural result of nationalism, and both are ingrained by federalism. No government can effectively run without a collective sense of unity and pride.
    Indeed but I always have a distrust of patriotism for large areas, it seems like an abstraction to me, particularly if the lower associations and areas in a country are less important to this kind of nationalist.
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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Through travelling I've discovered that most of the larger countries are not truly "one country" because they have so many ethnic groups that don't fall under the same umbrella. China is a good example of this... it's just so huge, yet the government tries to make it seem like everyone falls under the same banner. I'm going to Xinjiang this summer, one of the largest autonomous regions in China, and it is basically the Middle East... architecturally, linguistically, culturally, ethnically... yet the Chinese government tries to propagate the idea that the people of Xinjiang are simply a minority within China. Such a lie, this is. Xinjiang is another country, in my view.

    Canada, to some extent, was like this, which was a big point of contention for me. Canada is one of those countries that has allowed so much immigration that there is now a high level of diversity in the major city centers. People who are second or third generation Canadians now ask: What is my heritage? What is special about Canada? is Canadian culture being threatened? Say, what is Canadian culture anyway?

    The government steps in and tries to form some kind of nationalism. I don't see why Canada needs a special dance, a unique dish, or other cultural clichés to be "special". Yet the government tries to nationalize by spreading such ideas. Canada really isn't one country. Central Canada thinks it is the center of the universe... the Eastern provinces are mostly poor because they have a relatively traditional way of life, and Western Canada (excluding Alberta a.k.a wannabe Texas) is spinning way out there in orbit with its own projects. The Northern territories... they might as well be in outer space.

    IMO nationalism in the patriotic sense is dangerous and ignorant.

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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Through travelling I've discovered that most of the larger countries are not truly "one country" because they have so many ethnic groups that don't fall under the same umbrella. China is a good example of this... it's just so huge, yet the government tries to make it seem like everyone falls under the same banner. I'm going to Xinjiang this summer, one of the largest autonomous regions in China, and it is basically the Middle East... architecturally, linguistically, culturally, ethnically... yet the Chinese government tries to propagate the idea that the people of Xinjiang are simply a minority within China. Such a lie, this is. Xinjiang is another country, in my view.

    Canada, to some extent, was like this, which was a big point of contention for me. Canada is one of those countries that has allowed so much immigration that there is now a high level of diversity in the major city centers. People who are second or third generation Canadians now ask: What is my heritage? What is special about Canada? is Canadian culture being threatened? Say, what is Canadian culture anyway?

    The government steps in and tries to form some kind of nationalism. I don't see why Canada needs a special dance, a unique dish, or other cultural clichés to be "special". Yet the government tries to nationalize by spreading such ideas. Canada really isn't one country. Central Canada thinks it is the center of the universe... the Eastern provinces are mostly poor because they have a relatively traditional way of life, and Western Canada (excluding Alberta a.k.a wannabe Texas) is spinning way out there in orbit with its own projects. The Northern territories... they might as well be in outer space.

    IMO nationalism in the patriotic sense is dangerous and ignorant.
    Thank you, that last sentence really nailed it. It seems dangerously extremist to me, which relates back to that "reviving the GOP" thread. People should not be focused on that nationalism.


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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Personally I've always wondered how you could have such intense patriotism for an entity the size of the US. It seems to me you don't know most of the places or people, sure you can have warm feelings towards the country but patriotism, I think that should start and be strongest in ones locale and region.
    sure I do....


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