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Thread: Do You Belong Here?

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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post



    I can't imagine who would fit right in at a goat roast.


    Oh, there are those that would fit in. That party was full of people that fit in. However, even though I was born and raised in rural Arkansas. Live to fish, and do a lot of backpacking (thats not exactly a redneck activity though), and have always been a fan of cheap beer, I (that's me on the left):



    have never really felt I belonged with this crowd:

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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sounds like your being an uber nationalist.

    Some people never feel connected with their fellow citizens or their country.
    Hey, I am German. Don't talk to me about "uber" anything, okay buddy? You haven't got a clue.
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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hey, I am German. Don't talk to me about "uber" anything, okay buddy? You haven't got a clue.
    I've got plenty of clues. I've even played clue quite a few times.

    I have more than on national heritage under my belt but some of us don't feel connected. I am one of them, I haven't met very many people that are even remotely similar to me where I live.

    I don't believe that my country expresses the values of freedom and individualism that it is supposed to. A lot of the citizenry embraces it and invites more collectivism.
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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    The first time I felt like I did not belong here was the period right after 9/11. Because of my heritage, I was made fun of and compared to the Muslim extremists who conducted the attacks.

    I will be honest, there was actually a time when I hated Americans, specifically white Americans. Yes I'm admitting it. This was because the people who made fun of me were all white and they instilled in my mind that white people believe they are dominant in the world.

    Yeah it was wrong, but stuff happens.

    Recently I've been thinking more like Korimyr, in that I feel I will never belong to this country because of the personal issues I have with so many of my countrymen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    My people are, on the majority, hostile to everything I believe in-- religiously, politically, philosophically-- and I feel like I am watching them commit suicide.
    This needs to be framed somewhere.
    Last edited by Cilogy; 05-04-09 at 10:36 PM.


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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Well yes I feel like I don't belong in Australia all the time. I don't think it is bad here, I'm just a Englishmen to the core and miss my native Dorset soil.

    On nationalism I think a moderate amount is a good thing but I am apprehensive of those that put nation above all other associations particularly community, family and region. In fact I think one's allegiances should be far stronger the more local the association or grouping is. I'm a Dorset man and Wessex man far more than an Englishman and an Englishmen more than a Brit.
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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    The first time I felt like I did not belong here was the period right after 9/11. Because of my heritage, I was made fun of and compared to the Muslim extremists who conducted the attacks.

    I will be honest, there was actually a time when I hated Americans, specifically white Americans. Yes I'm admitting it. This was because the people who made fun of me were all white and they instilled in my mind that white people believe they are dominant in the world.

    Yeah it was wrong, but stuff happens.

    Recently I've been thinking more like Korimyr, in that I feel I will never belong to this country because of the personal issues I have with so many of my countrymen.
    I know what your saying but don't let it depress you.
    If you can be open to others who might not feel at home, similar to the way you feel, you can make a lot of friends.

    I have to at times not disclose my family heritage because some are hostile or bigoted towards it.

    There are some of us who see the bigger picture in life and should live it up to its fullest.
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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Initially, I was going to agree with Reverend, and say that your question is far too broad, and ask you what you were getting at. Obviously, the below was what you were getting at. I am curious as to why you didn't come out and say it, rather than get all secretive, but to each their own, I suppose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    The first time I felt like I did not belong here was the period right after 9/11. Because of my heritage, I was made fun of and compared to the Muslim extremists who conducted the attacks.

    I will be honest, there was actually a time when I hated Americans, specifically white Americans. Yes I'm admitting it. This was because the people who made fun of me were all white and they instilled in my mind that white people believe they are dominant in the world.

    Yeah it was wrong, but stuff happens.

    Recently I've been thinking more like Korimyr, in that I feel I will never belong to this country because of the personal issues I have with so many of my countrymen.



    This needs to be framed somewhere.
    To answer your question, yes, I have always felt that I belonged here. The diversity of this country not only fits in with my ideology, but reminds me that there is a place, here, for nearly anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Initially, I was going to agree with Reverend, and say that your question is far too broad, and ask you what you were getting at. Obviously, the below was what you were getting at. I am curious as to why you didn't come out and say it, rather than get all secretive, but to each their own, I suppose.
    Well when I make a poll I usually wait a while until I respond. I like to see the different perspectives that others take.


    To answer your question, yes, I have always felt that I belonged here. The diversity of this country not only fits in with my ideology, but reminds me that there is a place, here, for nearly anyone.
    I agree with that, this is a place for everyone. I love living here (not East Texas, just the U.S.) because its the best place to live that I know of. Its just that for years I have felt that despite the fact that the U.S. is considered a place for everyone, its not necessarily a place that completely accepts anyone. By that I mean the country can accept someone as a citizen and resident and et cetera but their views, appearance, traits and such will never be completely approved by society.

    I'm gonna 'pull Specter' here and say that I find myself increasingly at odds with the people around me, but if I were to write a huge pros/cons list, I still like living in the U.S.


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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Yes, I belong here...here being the United States of America.

    I was born in this country. Its history is my history. Its story is my story.

    America is not perfect; perhaps it is not even "better"--and certainly is not morally superior in the manner Wilsonian idealists pretend. It is simply my country; as corny as the song lyric is, that really is close enough to perfect for me.

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    Re: Do You Belong Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Well when I make a poll I usually wait a while until I respond. I like to see the different perspectives that others take.
    On the rare occasions that I start a poll, I sometimes do the same, however, I will add some of my own commentary so folks won't be wondering about where things could be heading.

    I agree with that, this is a place for everyone. I love living here (not East Texas, just the U.S.) because its the best place to live that I know of. Its just that for years I have felt that despite the fact that the U.S. is considered a place for everyone, its not necessarily a place that completely accepts anyone. By that I mean the country can accept someone as a citizen and resident and et cetera but their views, appearance, traits and such will never be completely approved by society.
    Hmmm...a little clarification, at least to me. The country can accept someone as a citizen and resident and et cetera but their views, appearance, traits and such will never be completely approved by everyone in society. Regardless of your appearance, traits, view, etc..., I believe that here, in the US, you can find a place to fit in and a place where you will be accepted, even if those that are accepting you are different from you.

    I'm gonna 'pull Specter' here and say that I find myself increasingly at odds with the people around me, but if I were to write a huge pros/cons list, I still like living in the U.S.
    I would imagine that this opinion is shared by many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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