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Thread: How to Revive the Republican Party

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    Re: How to Revive the Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The real Americans have always....
    Uh huh.....and who are the fake Americans?


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    Re: How to Revive the Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasPaine View Post
    I would point the readers to an interesting point of view expressed by Glenn Beck (yes, Beck!).

    Picture a horizontal straight line. On the left end is 100% government or totalitarianism. On the right end is no government at all or anarchy.

    The founders orignally designed a government that was just to the left of anarchy (the far right end of the line). It was governed by the Articles of Confederation. But that didn't work.

    So they moved a bit to the left on the line, but still quite right of center, and drafted the Constitution. That is where we started.

    It served us well for a while, but in the 1890s or early 1900s, under the progressive movement, the country began to creep leftward along the line. That creeping accelerated with the New Deal and continued leftward with the Great Society. It continues today with our apparent march toward socialism under Obama, until on that magic horizontal line, we now find ourselves well left of center on the line and trending toward totalitarianism.

    As far as the two parties go, they are now basically at the same left of center point on the line (in other words, there ain't a damn bit of difference between them). To distinguish their cosmetic differences, you need to go to a vertical line. Put democrats or republicans on the top or bottom - your choice - it doesn't matter. Use it to distinguish their differences on social issues. The point is that they're on the same place on that horizontal plane.

    To revive the republican party, it is going to have to redefine a point on that horizontal plane that is back to the right towards the Constitution. It need to establish and ennumerate goals for the size and scope of the federal government and reestablish what is more appropriate to be decided by the states. Some individual states, Texas for one, are realilzing that the powers of the federal government are way out of control and enacting legislation that bring them back in line with the original meaning of the Constitution.

    The republicans have to once again recognize things like states rights (no racist connotations meant or accepted) and local school control and start to reject things like federal mandates that are not enumarated in the Constitution.

    Only when republicans once again become the party of limited government, lower taxes and strong national defense will they have a chance at a party revival.
    .... I don't like what Obama is doing but at least I have the perspective to see what is happening clearly...

    authoritarianism does not equal socialism and that Obama won't be bringing us close to anything socialist or authoritarian. And I will just assume that you weren't equating your left/right spectrum with the spectrum used in politics.

    I agree with your direction of the Republican party though.

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    Re: How to Revive the Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    The Republican party needs to get some principles (even if they are wrong) to attract people.
    I know they do.

    They need to say "no" to Democrats.

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    Re: How to Revive the Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    Uh huh.....and who are the fake Americans?
    People that can vote for Obama or any other jackass with a (D) after their name.

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    Re: How to Revive the Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I know they do.

    They need to say "no" to Democrats.
    simplistic, and not too bright.....
    gauranteed to put the last nail in the coffin of the GOP...
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    Re: How to Revive the Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    People that can vote for Obama or any other jackass with a (D) after their name.
    Saying anyone who votes for Obama is not America sounds kind of authoritarian to me. Just saying.


    There is a difference from someone who is dumb enough to vote for Obama, but they really do like him, and people who don't like McCain but don't have the principles to not vote for him. They are both bad in different ways.

    I agree that people who vote for someone just because of their party are harmful voters though, which puts alot of Republicans who voted for McCain under that catagory too.

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    Re: How to Revive the Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasPaine View Post
    It served us well for a while, but in the 1890s or early 1900s, under the progressive movement, the country began to creep leftward along the line. That creeping accelerated with the New Deal and continued leftward with the Great Society. It continues today with our apparent march toward socialism under Obama, until on that magic horizontal line, we now find ourselves well left of center on the line and trending toward totalitarianism.
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    I think there is truth in that, although you have it back to front if you are referring to left and rightwing because anarchists tend to be on the left.

    It is worth pointing out that as Gabriel Kolko and Murray Rothbard showed it was sections of big business that were actually behind the drive for things like the progressive era reforms.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: How to Revive the Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Saying anyone who votes for Obama is not America sounds kind of authoritarian to me. Just saying.


    There is a difference from someone who is dumb enough to vote for Obama, but they really do like him, and people who don't like McCain but don't have the principles to not vote for him. They are both bad in different ways.

    I agree that people who vote for someone just because of their party are harmful voters though, which puts alot of Republicans who voted for McCain under that catagory too.
    There are many people (like me) who held their nose and voted for McCain because we saw enough of Obama to realize what he would do to the country. Yes, McCain would have been very status quo and had many positions antithecal to conservatives (like immigration), but overall the country would have been safe in his hands. We cannot say the same with Obama.

    Many of us McCain voters have very high principles. We are just not stupid enough to sit home when faced with the prospect of a president like Obama.

    Had we stayed home, Obama's "mandate" would have been even greater and lord knows what we might be facing now!

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    Re: How to Revive the Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    .... I don't like what Obama is doing but at least I have the perspective to see what is happening clearly...

    authoritarianism does not equal socialism and that Obama won't be bringing us close to anything socialist or authoritarian. And I will just assume that you weren't equating your left/right spectrum with the spectrum used in politics.

    I agree with your direction of the Republican party though.
    I have to disagree with your picture of Obama. If nationalizing banks and taking control of private industries, coupled with "taxing the rich" so that taxes might be reduced or services increased for the non-rich isn't trending towards socialism, I'm not sure what is.

    The spectrum was not my invention and, I believe, merely for illustrations sake. The line could have been vertical, diagonal or squiggly. The point was to illustrate that both parties have drifted (or consciously moved) to a point far from what the founders envisioned. And there ain't a dime's worth of difference between them when it comes to the power of the federal government.

    The states have sit back idly by and let the federal government take powers that were enumerated to the states in the Constitution. Unless we get that horse (which has been loose in the pasture for 100 years) back in the barn, we're going to keep getting the crappy government that we have now.

    One solution I have heard is the repeal of the 16th amendment (the income tax). The idea is to starve the beast. This would require two-thirds of the states (electors be damned) to call for a constitutional convention. It's never been done, but maybe now is the time.

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    Re: How to Revive the Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    People that can vote for Obama or any other jackass with a (D) after their name.
    To paraphrase someone, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

    Cult members usually do what their Messiah tells them without question or even understanding why they do it.


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