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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't really know (like friends) 40 people but that isn't really important.

    I don't think that people, that normally die of the regular flu, will be less likely to die of this flu.

    That doesn't make any logical sense in any way.

    Me love you long time Tucky but I'm not sure that is true(not calling you a liar though).

    Please explain it so it makes sense because this really doesn't.
    Just look at the vast majority of the fatalities. Aside form the little boy in Texas, the vast majority of fatalities are in the 20-40 age range in otherwise healthy people.

    At best, the risks for younger folks is about equal to any flu, whereas the risks in that 20-40 range are astronomically higher than normal.


    Mexico on edge as reports of swine flu cases climb - washingtonpost.com

    Those teams noticed something strange: The flu was killing people aged 20 to 40. Flu victims are usually either infants or the elderly...

    ...Asked why there were so many deaths in Mexico, and none so far among the U.S. cases, Cordova noted that the U.S. cases involved children _ who haven't been among the fatal cases in Mexico, either.
    The stats speak for themselves.

    Part of the reasoning for this is that the problems are caused by an over response of the immune system to the new illness. The weaker the immune system, the less likely it will be that there will be an over response.




    I know that some people may do it for about a week and that a few die hards will do it for longer but natural human ticks over rule eventually.

    If I get it, I'd probably go to the doctor to if I'm sure I could die.

    So far I've seen a frenzy of panic mongers who only influence people to do things that won't make a difference.

    They might as well tell them to stop, drop, and roll or to duck and cover to prevent the flu.
    I think the problem here is that most people are not capable of thinking long-term. They see the hype, and expect immediate impact. If they don't see immediate impact, they tend to ignore the hype.

    Remember, just because the boy who cried wolf is telling you that there is a wolf standing outside the town, it doesn't mean that he's not telling the truth this time.

    The problem is not that this flu is not a potential threat -because it is- it is that the media has hyped illegitimate threats in teh past so often. They didn't wait until sustained human to human transmission was observed before going over the deep end.

    I'm not saying it's time to panic, but I am saying the threat should be taken seriously, even if the people telling you about it are known for being sensationalist assholes.

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    Re: Swine Flu

    Went to Phoenix Children's hospital last evening to visit a grandchild that just had a brain tumor removed, had to wade thru the emergency room as it was late and the main entrance was closed. The place was packed with people bringing their children in to make sure that they don't have the flu. I doubt many of them actually have the flu, if so, it will be on the local news soon enough.
    The media is making a mess of this....
    Today the hospital is limiting visits with admitted patients due to the panic.
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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Went to Phoenix Children's hospital last evening to visit a grandchild that just had a brain tumor removed, had to wade thru the emergency room as it was late and the main entrance was closed. The place was packed with people bringing their children in to make sure that they don't have the flu. I doubt many of them actually have the flu, if so, it will be on the local news soon enough.
    The media is making a mess of this....
    Today the hospital is limiting visits with admitted patients due to the panic.
    Crazy. If the kids don't have it I imagine the ER is the best place to try to catch it.

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    Re: Swine Flu

    Then again catching it during the first wave is probably beneficial as future waves are likely to be worse.

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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Then again catching it during the first wave is probably beneficial as future waves are likely to be worse.
    Hopefully a vaccine will be available before the second wave strikes. One of the pharmaceutical companies (I forget which one) said that they should have it available by the end of the summer.
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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Hopefully a vaccine will be available before the second wave strikes. One of the pharmaceutical companies (I forget which one) said that they should have it available by the end of the summer.
    Yeah and then the vaccine will inevitably kill or maim a bunch of folks.

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    Re: Swine Flu

    The probability of dying from a flu vaccine is infinitesimal compared to the probability of a flu pandemic from this virus at some point during the lifetime of the vaccine.
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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Went to Phoenix Children's hospital last evening to visit a grandchild that just had a brain tumor removed, had to wade thru the emergency room as it was late and the main entrance was closed. The place was packed with people bringing their children in to make sure that they don't have the flu. I doubt many of them actually have the flu, if so, it will be on the local news soon enough.
    The media is making a mess of this....
    Today the hospital is limiting visits with admitted patients due to the panic.
    Sheep, they are all over this country. It is so stupid that people panic like this.
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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The probability of dying from a flu vaccine is infinitesimal compared to the probability of a flu pandemic from this virus at some point during the lifetime of the vaccine.
    I saw a Ron Paul pod cast that says otherwise, in fact he noted that the last swine flu outbreak in the U.S. killed 1 person and the vaccine killed 27 people (I think).

    This crap is getting majorly hyped.
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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Just look at the vast majority of the fatalities. Aside form the little boy in Texas, the vast majority of fatalities are in the 20-40 age range in otherwise healthy people.

    At best, the risks for younger folks is about equal to any flu, whereas the risks in that 20-40 range are astronomically higher than normal.


    Mexico on edge as reports of swine flu cases climb - washingtonpost.com

    The stats speak for themselves.

    Part of the reasoning for this is that the problems are caused by an over response of the immune system to the new illness. The weaker the immune system, the less likely it will be that there will be an over response.
    Another part I think we should recognize is that in a 3rd world country like Mexico the probability of having anyone (living long term with out the swine flu) with compromised immune systems is not equal to that of those who live in the U.S.

    Naturally the stats of healthy to already sick people dieing will be skewed in the first place.

    I'm not convinced that it is a lot more lethal than the regular flu which is already globally pandemic.
    It almost sounds made up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I think the problem here is that most people are not capable of thinking long-term. They see the hype, and expect immediate impact. If they don't see immediate impact, they tend to ignore the hype.

    Remember, just because the boy who cried wolf is telling you that there is a wolf standing outside the town, it doesn't mean that he's not telling the truth this time.

    The problem is not that this flu is not a potential threat -because it is- it is that the media has hyped illegitimate threats in teh past so often. They didn't wait until sustained human to human transmission was observed before going over the deep end.

    I'm not saying it's time to panic, but I am saying the threat should be taken seriously, even if the people telling you about it are known for being sensationalist assholes.
    I agree for the most part.

    Where we part is that I think either your going to get it and live or you die.
    Faced with that I'm not really concerned all that much.

    I try to care but its broken.
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