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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I've decided to joke about the Swine Flu at every single opportunity. A friend coughs in front of me, I take a step back and say "get that piggy **** away from me".

    I tell everybody to make sure they wash their hands because I don't want them to spoil my dinner.

    I feel sorry for the individuals dying from seriously terminal diseases. We're going to throw money at the Swine flu as if it were the American Economy...but it's not the American economy because ailments are not liars.
    ****, I joke about cancer, AIDS, and heart disease all the time, and those ****ers take out way more people a year than this could. Swine flu gets no joke reprieve from me.

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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser Katzenjammer View Post
    Every case of the swine flu having been introduced into the United States that I know of involved students and travelers, not illegal immigrants. So, obviously not only can it NOT be blamed on illegals but it clearly demonstrates that even with Soviet Block border containment the flu would still have entered our borders.

    Your remark is both ignorant and appallingly callous.
    One situation does not rule out the other, unless you're trying to make the absurd claim that illegal immigrants don't travel.
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    Talking Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Exactly.

    It may well end up being nothing, but it's too early to say for sure. 159 deaths in a month in a somewhat localized region is enough to give one pause a the very least. Then, the fact that it has been taking out otherwise healthy people also is a factor in being somewhat more cautious.

    What we are seeing is overboard, no doubt, but caution when the situation is not fully known is always the prudent course.

    And for the most part, most things about this flu are not fully known.
    I do find it odd that it's only been killing Mexicans but I wonder if that may not have more to do with the quality of their medical care and emergency response system than anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by BBC World Services
    Preliminary analysis of the swine flu virus suggests it is a fairly mild strain, scientists say.

    It is believed that a further mutation would be needed in order for the H1N1 virus to cause the mass deaths that have been estimated by some.

    But at this point, it is impossible to predict with any accuracy how the virus will continue to evolve.

    - full story -
    So far the evidence supports the claim that influenza A(H1N1) is probably a mild virus and has nothing going for it in terms of lethality that the avian (H5N1) flu that's been around for a decade has. I think I may possibly be starting to get sick from it now, unless it's another seasonal flu, and it's seeming pretty tame to some others I've had.

    What I'm worried about is it mutating, but even if it does those of us who have already contracted the illness may be partially or fully immune to the more dangerous mutation.
    Last edited by Kaiser Katzenjammer; 05-01-09 at 04:42 PM. Reason: Disliked the BBCode formatting

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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser Katzenjammer View Post
    I do find it odd that it's only been killing Mexicans but I wonder if that may not have more to do with the quality of their medical care and emergency response system than anything else.
    It could also be that more of them have been exposed.

    So far the evidence supports the claim that influenza A(H1N1) is probably a mild virus and has nothing going for it in terms of lethality that the avian (H5N1) flu that's been around for a decade has. I think I may possibly be starting to get sick from it now, unless it's another seasonal flu, and it's seeming pretty tame to some others I've had.

    What I'm worried about is it mutating, but even if it does those of us who have already contracted the illness may be partially or fully immune to the more dangerous mutation.
    The thing is, just because it doesn't have the same genetic markers as H5N1 bird flu or the H1N1 Spanish flu from 1918 that lead to their lethality, it doesn't necessarily mean that it does not have some heretofore unknown genetic combination that leads to it's own lethality.

    So, while it is definitely good news that it doesn't have these genes, it doesn't rule out the potential for lethality. It just means that the genes for lethality that we do know of are not present. It does not mean any potentially lethal gene combo that we are not aware of doesn't exist.

    The above commentary is a paraphrase from some virologist's quote I read in an article today. I'll have to find that article to source it.


    P.S. I agree about the mutation bit for the most part. It would depend on the degree of mutation.
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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    One situation does not rule out the other, unless you're trying to make the absurd claim that illegal immigrants don't travel.
    That's true, but the due to the ease of domestic and international travel and how rapidly it – like any flu – spreads from person to person in a local population, it's quite plausible that if you catch A(H1N1) you'll more likely be able to lay the blame on some guy on the bus, a co-worker, or a friend, etc. than on an illegal immigrant.

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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It could also be that more of them have been exposed.



    The thing is, just because it doesn't have the same genetic markers as H5N1 bird flu or the H1N1 Spanish flu from 1918 that lead to their lethality, it doesn't necessarily mean that it does not have some heretofore unknown genetic combination that leads to it's own lethality.

    So, while it is definitely good news that it doesn't have these genes, it doesn't rule out the potential for lethality. It just means that the genes for lethality that we do know of are not present. It does not mean any potentially lethal gene combo that we are not aware of doesn't exist.

    The above commentary is a paraphrase from some virologist's quote I read in an article today. I'll have to find that article to source it.


    P.S. I agree about the mutation bit for the most part. It would depend on the degree of mutation.
    I agree with you, but that can go so far as to be akin to avoiding hiking in the Rockies during a pleasantly clear day because of the risk of being struck by a bolt of heat lightning.

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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser Katzenjammer View Post
    I agree with you, but that can go so far as to be akin to avoiding hiking in the Rockies during a pleasantly clear day because of the risk of being struck by a bolt of heat lightning.
    It's more like a slightly overcast day with a 10-20% chance of T-storms than a clear day.

    Because although it looks like the odds are in your favor, it's not 100% certain there won't be a storm.

    So, when you do go hiking, you monitor the situation and then act accordingly if the threat of the t-storm becomes the reality.

    On a clear day, you wouldn't really need to take those added precautions.

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    Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser Katzenjammer View Post
    I do find it odd that it's only been killing Mexicans but I wonder if that may not have more to do with the quality of their medical care and emergency response system than anything else.
    It is clear Swine Flu is racist!
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    Re: Swine Flu

    It may not be totally their environment but some part of their genetic make up might make them more susceptible to the Swine Flu.
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    Exclamation Re: Swine Flu

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It is clear Swine Flu is racist!
    It's pretty ironic how many Americans blame the virus on Mexicans and imply that they are deliberately transmitting it to us, yet at the same time no one outside of Mexico has died except a Mexican baby.
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