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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    But if someone has an assult rifle that also can put me at risk.
    Welcome to freedom. Lost of things put you at risk. Guns, cars, alcohol, etc. But people are allowed access to them because we are free. Free isn't safe, it never was safe and never will be safe. But it's better than the alternative.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Hell, someone else driving next to me on the road puts me at risk.
    Sure as hell does, what do you want me to do about it?

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    The Constitution and the Bill of Rights doesn't have to do with protecting us in that way.
    Sure doesn't. The Constitution is the contract between We the People and the government which we created. It allows the government certain powers and duties. That not granted to the government in the Constitution was not given to the government. The main purpose of the government isn't to keep you all nice and cuddly safe, but rather the guarantee of our rights and liberties.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    And where are you not allowed to put someone at risk? and how is that infringing on their rights?
    I'm not putting anyone at risk, what are you talking about? My guns threaten no one. Had I assault rifles, they wouldn't be threatening anyone either.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    My whole point is that you can't take the Bill of Rights completely literally.
    The Constitution is not the Bible, of course it was meant to be taken literally. It's a list of powers granted to the government, WTF is the point if its not literal?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    In effect, if you take everything COMPLETELY literally then most things have no value in real life.
    Wait...what?

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    we are the ones that have to judge that.
    WTF drugs are you on, and share!

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    The Bill of Rights says that no laws can be used to subvert the amendments on the Bill of Rights anyway.

    "Article the eleventh [Amendment IX]

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
    Of course, the point of Amendment 9, however, is to state that the People have retained more than the rights they enumerated in the Constitution and that the government is likewise forbidden from infringing upon those not listed.
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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

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    I'm just entertaining the idea of an actual Revolution and how it could potentially play out via an armed public.



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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Egads me and that author have the same last name, no kidding

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Welcome to freedom. Lost of things put you at risk. Guns, cars, alcohol, etc. But people are allowed access to them because we are free. Free isn't safe, it never was safe and never will be safe. But it's better than the alternative.



    Sure as hell does, what do you want me to do about it?



    Sure doesn't. The Constitution is the contract between We the People and the government which we created. It allows the government certain powers and duties. That not granted to the government in the Constitution was not given to the government. The main purpose of the government isn't to keep you all nice and cuddly safe, but rather the guarantee of our rights and liberties.



    I'm not putting anyone at risk, what are you talking about? My guns threaten no one. Had I assault rifles, they wouldn't be threatening anyone either.



    The Constitution is not the Bible, of course it was meant to be taken literally. It's a list of powers granted to the government, WTF is the point if its not literal?



    Wait...what?



    WTF drugs are you on, and share!



    Of course, the point of Amendment 9, however, is to state that the People have retained more than the rights they enumerated in the Constitution and that the government is likewise forbidden from infringing upon those not listed.

    exactly... we aren't gauranteed safety. (see bolded text from you) But then why can't i scream fire in a crowded building? It seems like a violation of my rights from a literal interepretation of the first amendment.

    However, it doesn't violate it because the amendments can't be taken literally, which is why we can ban assult weapons. the second amendment can't be literal if the first amendment isn't.

    im happy that this confusion is settled.

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    No, and I will be completely honest here, but I don't know much about guns.
    So... how did you come up with your position that some 'assault weapons' should be banned, and others, not?

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    It's not non-sequitor. The fact that we can all agree on not letting ordinary citizens own nuclear weapons- we can all agree on that, right?- proves beyond doubt that there is a certain level of power beyond which marketable weapons should not legally go. The only question remaining is where that level is.
    Its somewhere past the point of "all firearms".
    That is, whever the boundary is, all firearms certainly fall under the definition of 'arms'.

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    But if someone has an assult rifle that also can put me at risk.
    Simple posession of an assault rifle (note that the terms assault rifle and 'assault weapon' are NOT interchangeable) puts NO ONE at risk.

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    I wonder why we havent heard from WillRockwell on this issue...

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Simple posession of an assault rifle (note that the terms assault rifle and 'assault weapon' are NOT interchangeable) puts NO ONE at risk.
    I don't know the specific differences between an assult rifle and an assault weapon. Maybe an assult rifle doesn't put people at risk, you agree ethat assult weapons do, and that is what my position is.

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    I don't know the specific differences between an assult rifle and an assault weapon. Maybe an assult rifle doesn't put people at risk, you agree ethat assult weapons do, and that is what my position is.
    No... simple posession of an assault rifle (or 'assault weapon') puts no one at risk. Having a firearm of any kind doesnt endanger anyone, just as Having the ability to yell fire in a theater doesnt endanger anyone.

    Now, DOING something with it is another story.

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