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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by kamino View Post
    Agghh, for all the liberals out there who want to put guns out let me explain something, guns in this country are not for hunting or self deffense (those are secondary reasons) They are for changing government when it oversteps its bounds and becomes destructive of the reasons it was put in place in the first place i.e. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    thank you for your time.
    Where is that right in the Constitution?

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Where is that right in the Constitution?
    Are you being facetious?

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    joke Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Are you being facetious?
    I'm dead serious. Where is that right in the Constitution?

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm dead serious. Where is that right in the Constitution?
    What difference does it make? The Ninth Amendment precludes your entire argument.

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    joke Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What difference does it make? The Ninth Amendment precludes your entire argument.
    So you admit that "the right of the people to over through their government" is not, in fact, in the Constitution?

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So you admit that "the right of the people to over through their government" is not, in fact, in the Constitution?
    It is not explicitly mentioned, but the Constitution protects that right nonetheless.

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    joke Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It is not explicitly mentioned, but the Constitution protects that right nonetheless.
    So we agree that revolution is, in fact, unconstitutional.

    We might even call it treason.

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So we agree that revolution is, in fact, unconstitutional.
    Absolutely not. The Ninth Amendment affirms explicitly the existence of unenumerated rights, and since the government does not have the authority to govern without our consent it stands to reason we retain the right to dissolve it - by force if necessary.

    And although the DOI is not legally enforceable, it is still a philosophical tool which judges use to interpret the law. The Constitution and the DOI are not totally exclusive to one another. They form both the legal and philosophical basis for American law.

    We might even call it treason.
    It depends.

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    joke Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Absolutely not. The Ninth Amendment affirms explicitly the existence of unenumerated rights, and since the government does not have the authority to govern without our consent it stands to reason we retain the right to dissolve it - by force if necessary.
    That's all opinion.

    I'm asking you to back that subjective personal interpretation with some hard facts.

    The way I see it, if revolution were an actual right, then the founders would have put it in the Constitution. A few words in the second Amendment is all it would have took.

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's all opinion.
    What about it is an opinion? The following are facts:

    1. The Ninth Amendment affirms explicitly the existence of unenumerated rights.
    2. The government does not retain the authority to govern without the consent of the people.

    Based upon these simple facts, it stands to reason that dissolution of government - by force, if necessary - is an implied right of the people.

    The way I see it, if revolution were an actual right, then the founders would have put it in the Constitution. A few words in the second Amendment is all it would have took.
    The Founding Fathers wrote the following sentence and agreed upon it as being valid:

    …That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government…

    Do you think they were making idle statements? Yes, said clause is not legally enforceable, but it doesn't need to be. The DOI informs upon the Constitution and the Ninth Amendment affirms explicitly the existence of unenumerated rights. And it's funny you should mention the Second Amendment; what, do you suppose, is its fundamental reason for existing?

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