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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Fair enough. A 5 day background check is what I support then.

    You are right that the federal government has no power to restict rocket launchers. However, the government Unconstitutionally has so many other powers, such as SS, Medicare ect that the 10th amendment is violated in much worse ways then by banning rocket launchers. Pick your battles
    Why do you support a five day wait when it is NO MORE ACCURATE than an instant background check?
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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Why do you support a five day wait when it is NO MORE ACCURATE than an instant background check?
    oops my mistake reading your post.

    but anyway, where are you getting that information? It may not all be computerized or something else.

    and even though I think people should be able to get guns when they want them, I would like at least a day so if someone gets angry and wants to immedietly buy a gun, then they can't.

    If you want a gun you should at least have to wait 24 hours :P
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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    If you want a gun you should at least have to wait 24 hours
    I remember hearing that a right delayed is a right denied...?

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    If you want a gun you should at least have to wait 24 hours :P
    Why?

    I don't see that written into the Second Amendment.

    Do you?

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    oops my mistake reading your post.

    but anyway, where are you getting that information? It may not all be computerized or something else.

    and even though I think people should be able to get guns when they want them, I would like at least a day so if someone gets angry and wants to immedietly buy a gun, then they can't.

    If you want a gun you should at least have to wait 24 hours :P


    If you had just recieved a credible death threat and wanted a gun to protect your self/family, you might find that 24 hour wait to feel like 24 years.

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I remember hearing that a right delayed is a right denied...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Why?

    I don't see that written into the Second Amendment.

    Do you?
    Lets take the second amendment for what is was intended.

    If someone wants a gun they should be able to get one. Getting the gun immedietly doesn't really factor into that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If you had just recieved a credible death threat and wanted a gun to protect your self/family, you might find that 24 hour wait to feel like 24 years.
    What is more likely, someone is dumb enough to warn someone else that they will try and kill them and actually tries to carry out the threat, or someone gets angry and in their rage they buy a gun to kill someone else.

    I would assume that most threats aren't carried out, and most murders don't have the courtesy to warn their victems.

    There is also the police if someone feels they are in danger. Even if requested protection isn't their objective, they are still there.

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    What is more likely, someone is dumb enough to warn someone else that they will try and kill them and actually tries to carry out the threat, or someone gets angry and in their rage they buy a gun to kill someone else.

    I would assume that most threats aren't carried out, and most murders don't have the courtesy to warn their victems.

    There is also the police if someone feels they are in danger. Even if requested protection isn't their objective, they are still there.
    You'd be amazed how often people run their mouths before doing something. It's the main reason so many criminals get caught: can't-shut-up-itis.

    "When you're seconds from death, the cops are only minutes away."

    As for instant-rage-impulse-killings...Buying a gun means driving to the gunstore, picking out a gun, filling out a crapload of paperwork, and then waiting 20 minutes while the ICS background comes back... then driving back to wherever the hypothetical trouble is. Impulse killings rarely involve something that takes that long...they either grab a gun that is on hand, or they go for a knife, hatchet, or rock.

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Lets take the second amendment for what is was intended.
    Yes.

    It was intended to prevent the government from infringing on gun ownership.

    Putting an arbitrary artificial waiting period for an unconstitutional background check is an infringement.

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You'd be amazed how often people run their mouths before doing something. It's the main reason so many criminals get caught: can't-shut-up-itis.

    "When you're seconds from death, the cops are only minutes away."

    As for instant-rage-impulse-killings...Buying a gun means driving to the gunstore, picking out a gun, filling out a crapload of paperwork, and then waiting 20 minutes while the ICS background comes back... then driving back to wherever the hypothetical trouble is. Impulse killings rarely involve something that takes that long...they either grab a gun that is on hand, or they go for a knife, hatchet, or rock.

    G.

    You are right-the mental state that results in a "heat of rage" or passion killing only lasts but a few moments. Every criminologist I have spoken to, plus 20 years of being around detectives, etc has convinced me that if someone goes to a store, fills out the forms and gets the gun (having bought dozens and dozens of guns the quickest I can do this-not counting the 15 minute car trip to the closet gun shop) is about 20 minutes), they are engaging in PREMEDITATED BEHAVIOR and a COOLING OFF PERIOD HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT ON THEM

    THe only supposed legitimate purpose for the ORIGINAL Wait was that records were not computerized (which is bs because in our state the cops do the exact same BG check when they pull you over for speeding-and they have done so for 20+ years). Now that the records are all computerized in 50 states, there is absolutely no LEGITIMATE reason for a waiting period.

    ARC types want it for two reasons-the hassle gun owners and to kill off gun shows.
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: Is this a "strong argument" for banning 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You are right-the mental state that results in a "heat of rage" or passion killing only lasts but a few moments. Every criminologist I have spoken to, plus 20 years of being around detectives, etc has convinced me that if someone goes to a store, fills out the forms and gets the gun (having bought dozens and dozens of guns the quickest I can do this-not counting the 15 minute car trip to the closet gun shop) is about 20 minutes), they are engaging in PREMEDITATED BEHAVIOR and a COOLING OFF PERIOD HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT ON THEM

    THe only supposed legitimate purpose for the ORIGINAL Wait was that records were not computerized (which is bs because in our state the cops do the exact same BG check when they pull you over for speeding-and they have done so for 20+ years). Now that the records are all computerized in 50 states, there is absolutely no LEGITIMATE reason for a waiting period.

    ARC types want it for two reasons-the hassle gun owners and to kill off gun shows.
    20 minutes is not enough cooling down time for it to be considered thought through.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes.

    It was intended to prevent the government from infringing on gun ownership.

    Putting an arbitrary artificial waiting period for an unconstitutional background check is an infringement.
    It doesn't infringe on someone getting a gun if they want to though. Everyone seems to agree that the second amendment should be used for what the founding fathers wanted. and that was for people to get any guns that they want.

    A one day waiting period doesn't counter that in any practical way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You'd be amazed how often people run their mouths before doing something. It's the main reason so many criminals get caught: can't-shut-up-itis.

    "When you're seconds from death, the cops are only minutes away."

    As for instant-rage-impulse-killings...Buying a gun means driving to the gunstore, picking out a gun, filling out a crapload of paperwork, and then waiting 20 minutes while the ICS background comes back... then driving back to wherever the hypothetical trouble is. Impulse killings rarely involve something that takes that long...they either grab a gun that is on hand, or they go for a knife, hatchet, or rock.

    G.
    Right now im looking for if people who are murdered are commonly warned of the crime before it happens. I haven't found anything yet, but maybe someone else has that on one of their gun statistics :P

    Ideally,
    I would like to compare that to some statistic of how many people are killed from others immedietly buying guns and killing with them in less then 24 hours.

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