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Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizens?

Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizens?

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jamesrage

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I think this is pretty much a straight yes or no poll topic.


Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizens?

I say no,I could care less what excuse or reason they use, no government has no business doing this. And in America the government's role is supposed to be that of the people's servant.
 
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Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

Absolutely not.
My personal details, is just that. Personal.
 
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I'd say no with one exception: If the government was going to take our DNA and mix it with, say, Tyrannosaurus Rex DNA to breed a bunch of super soldiers, then count me in. Plus with all that Tyrannosaurus/human DNA floating around, future Americans would be thought of as a warlike, vicious people, and I bet a lot of high schools would pick 'Americans' as their mascot.
 
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There is no constitutional authority for the Federal government to store such information.

There is no constitutional authority for the State of Texas to store such information.

Government has zero authority to store such information.

In other words, not only no but HELL NO!!!!!!!!
 
Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

No, can't see that as necessary.

A thumbprint and photo on a driver's license is enough.
 
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This would not interfere with civil liberties in any fashion, nor would it be any violation of privacy in citizens' personal affairs. The potential benefits to healthcare and law enforcement would be considerable.

I'd support this.
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
This would not interfere with civil liberties in any fashion, nor would it be any violation of privacy in citizens' personal affairs. The potential benefits to healthcare and law enforcement would be considerable.

I'd support this.
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It's not enough to SAY it, you need to prove it is beneficial, to PROVE it won't interfere with civil rights. There has been a lot of talk, and surprisingly lacking show in recent years, and when our civil rights ARE involved, the burden of proof, IMO, is that much greater.
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
This would not interfere with civil liberties in any fashion, nor would it be any violation of privacy in citizens' personal affairs. The potential benefits to healthcare and law enforcement would be considerable.

I'd support this.
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It surely depends on your trust of the Govt. Do you believe they would not mis use such information?

I wouldn't trust my PM or Govt. as far as i can throw them nor my police. It's painful enough they have my NIN
 
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Do I want the government to have power over decision-making regarding that of my DNA? Uh. No thanks.
 
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Travelsonic said:
It's not enough to SAY it, you need to prove it is beneficial, to PROVE it won't interfere with civil rights.
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Laila said:
It surely depends on your trust of the Govt. Do you believe they would not mis use such information?
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Explain to me how it could violate your civil rights. The only thing government can do with this is determine your compatibility for organ transplants and match your DNA with DNA left on crime scenes. There's simply nothing the government could do with a DNA sample that would violate your civil rights, or harm you in any fashion unless you were in the habit of leaving your DNA at crime scenes.

The government can't even use a DNA sample to track your movements or record your conversations-- at worst, they might be able to determine your susceptibility to certain heritable diseases.

Which would be a good thing, if it were combined with a proper healthcare system.

BigRed said:
Do I want the government to have power over decision-making regarding that of my DNA? Uh. No thanks.
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What decisions? Not like they can change your DNA. And not like they have any intention of cloning you.

What are they going to do, hit you up for child support payments?
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
This would not interfere with civil liberties in any fashion, nor would it be any violation of privacy in citizens' personal affairs. The potential benefits to healthcare and law enforcement would be considerable.
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It is a violation of privacy by its very nature. In fact, the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act (PL 110-233) specifically directs that genetic information be considered as "health information", and is thus explicitly protected by the HIPAA Privacy Rule.

Moreover, the potential benefits to healthcare are extremely minimal at best--very little medical care is directly determined by genetic information.

As for aiding law enforcement, sure it helps....if you are willing to set aside the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, which requires searches and seizures to be reasonable, and warrants to be issued only upon probable cause. A general store of DNA information fails this standard for the simple reason there is no crime nor investigation to which the seizure may be attached.
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
Explain to me how it could violate your civil rights. The only thing government can do with this is determine your compatibility for organ transplants and match your DNA with DNA left on crime scenes. There's simply nothing the government could do with a DNA sample that would violate your civil rights, or harm you in any fashion unless you were in the habit of leaving your DNA at crime scenes.

The government can't even use a DNA sample to track your movements or record your conversations-- at worst, they might be able to determine your susceptibility to certain heritable diseases.

Which would be a good thing, if it were combined with a proper healthcare system.



What decisions? Not like they can change your DNA. And not like they have any intention of cloning you.

What are they going to do, hit you up for child support payments?
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I don't really care what they can or can't do with it; whether there are good intentions involved or not and if there is necessarily good benefits derived from it.

It's just a simple issue of: the government doesn't need to store my DNA.
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
Explain to me how it could violate your civil rights.
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The burden of proof is on YOU, you made the claim it wouldn't interfere with civil rights in the first place.

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Travelsonic said:
The burden of proof is on YOU, you made the claim it wouldn't interfere with civil rights in the first place.

EDIT: 400th post :cool:
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Patient Privacy Rights: Homepage

Incidentally, it is worth noting that there is advocacy to the contrary already taking place.
 
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celticlord said:
Moreover, the potential benefits to healthcare are extremely minimal at best--very little medical care is directly determined by genetic information.
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Extremely good point. It's one thing to know your blood-type, which can be useful in the event an emergency transfusion is needed.

Medical doctors have little or no use for our DNA in most conceivable situations. Law enforcement, on the other hand, has a very good reason to want our DNA. So we need to put this issue squarely where it belongs... as a matter of law enforcement.

Most law-abiding citizens have never been required to provide their fingerprints, hair samples, or any other identifying information... unless arrested, or done voluntarily through a job application, military service, etc. I don't see any compelling reason to change that policy for DNA collection.

I also have a problem with those cameras at every every intersection. But that's another thread altogether.

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You are too late and DNA is the least of your worries.

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I think they should so new criminals are off the streets faster.

Plus they should implant GPS in everyone to track missing children instantly and the slimers.
 
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No Thanks! I am not one wishing to be a labrat for the Man.
 
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Kali said:
No Thanks! I am not one wishing to be a labrat for the Man.
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Wouldn't this help find the criminals on the loose that haven't been caught yet?

In affect making it a safer world for our children?
 
Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

I draw the line at implanted GPS. They don't need to track individuals' movements every minute of their lives.
 
Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

This is already being done in California.

Under California law, anyone ARRESTED for a felony has their DNA taken. We are talking ARRESTS, not CONVICTIONS. (So much for innocent until proven guilty).

If you are mistakenly arrested or acquitted, your DNA remains in the database.
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
This would not interfere with civil liberties in any fashion, nor would it be any violation of privacy in citizens' personal affairs. The potential benefits to healthcare and law enforcement would be considerable.

I'd support this.
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Of all the cops I have known over the years, maybe 8, 2 of those would very likely abuse the system. If those who abuse the system make up only 1 percent of cops, that is a lot of abusers....
 
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Dna is simply another biometric identifier like a fingerprint as far as law enforcement is concerned. Currently, you get fingerprinted when arrested, so I don't really see why taking dna when arrested would cause all that much outrage. Granted, I don't support anything being stored permanently except if convicted but a don't care if it is fingerprints or dna that get stored.
 
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celticlord said:
Moreover, the potential benefits to healthcare are extremely minimal at best--very little medical care is directly determined by genetic information.
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I recently did an essay on medical treatment with genetics. Needless to say it is very complicated and expensive to examine DNA for genetic dieases or disease susceptability. Very impractical too.

Far too expensive for governments or health insurance companies.

Moreover DNA will not solve all crimes. What is to stop me from grabbing a hair from someones shoulder, murdering someone and planting it at the crime scene. We all know how DNA evidence is viewed in a court of law, solid.
 
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