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    Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    This would not interfere with civil liberties in any fashion, nor would it be any violation of privacy in citizens' personal affairs. The potential benefits to healthcare and law enforcement would be considerable.
    It is a violation of privacy by its very nature. In fact, the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act (PL 110-233) specifically directs that genetic information be considered as "health information", and is thus explicitly protected by the HIPAA Privacy Rule.

    Moreover, the potential benefits to healthcare are extremely minimal at best--very little medical care is directly determined by genetic information.

    As for aiding law enforcement, sure it helps....if you are willing to set aside the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, which requires searches and seizures to be reasonable, and warrants to be issued only upon probable cause. A general store of DNA information fails this standard for the simple reason there is no crime nor investigation to which the seizure may be attached.

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    Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Explain to me how it could violate your civil rights. The only thing government can do with this is determine your compatibility for organ transplants and match your DNA with DNA left on crime scenes. There's simply nothing the government could do with a DNA sample that would violate your civil rights, or harm you in any fashion unless you were in the habit of leaving your DNA at crime scenes.

    The government can't even use a DNA sample to track your movements or record your conversations-- at worst, they might be able to determine your susceptibility to certain heritable diseases.

    Which would be a good thing, if it were combined with a proper healthcare system.



    What decisions? Not like they can change your DNA. And not like they have any intention of cloning you.

    What are they going to do, hit you up for child support payments?
    I don't really care what they can or can't do with it; whether there are good intentions involved or not and if there is necessarily good benefits derived from it.

    It's just a simple issue of: the government doesn't need to store my DNA.
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    Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Explain to me how it could violate your civil rights.
    The burden of proof is on YOU, you made the claim it wouldn't interfere with civil rights in the first place.

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    Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    The burden of proof is on YOU, you made the claim it wouldn't interfere with civil rights in the first place.

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    Incidentally, it is worth noting that there is advocacy to the contrary already taking place.

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    Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Moreover, the potential benefits to healthcare are extremely minimal at best--very little medical care is directly determined by genetic information.
    Extremely good point. It's one thing to know your blood-type, which can be useful in the event an emergency transfusion is needed.

    Medical doctors have little or no use for our DNA in most conceivable situations. Law enforcement, on the other hand, has a very good reason to want our DNA. So we need to put this issue squarely where it belongs... as a matter of law enforcement.

    Most law-abiding citizens have never been required to provide their fingerprints, hair samples, or any other identifying information... unless arrested, or done voluntarily through a job application, military service, etc. I don't see any compelling reason to change that policy for DNA collection.

    I also have a problem with those cameras at every every intersection. But that's another thread altogether.


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    Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

    You are too late and DNA is the least of your worries.

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    Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

    I think they should so new criminals are off the streets faster.

    Plus they should implant GPS in everyone to track missing children instantly and the slimers.
    Last edited by creativedreams; 04-27-09 at 12:23 AM.

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    Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

    No Thanks! I am not one wishing to be a labrat for the Man.
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    Re: Should the government take and store DNA and blood samples of law abiding citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    No Thanks! I am not one wishing to be a labrat for the Man.
    Wouldn't this help find the criminals on the loose that haven't been caught yet?

    In affect making it a safer world for our children?

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