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Thread: Attack within Pakistan

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    Attack within Pakistan

    Simple question.

    Would you approve of an attack ordered by President Obama against the Taliban within Pakistan with or without the consent of the Pakistani government? Why?

    I would ask those that if you post in this thread that you at least spent the majority of your post explaining YOUR position before attacking anyone elses position. If you don't intent to give your own views on this action and your own stance on it and simply wish to attack others for potentially being hypocritical on EITHER side, please don't participate. Its unfair to everyone debating if you're going to attack them for their views without giving your own to begin with.

    This is spurred from the fact Clinton recently said they were a mortal danger.
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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    For myself, I'd be leaning towards yes. I'd prefer Pakistani support for this to happen though and would be requiring a great deal of intelligence data to do it without their consent. I'm curious on Clinton's "Mortal Danger" statement and wonder how much of an over exaggeration it is. Primarily the reason I'd support this is because, government wise, The Taliban is who I hold responsable for 9/11 and it appears they've not truly been "beaten" but relocated.

    This said, I'll admit I am rather a novice in regards to this entire situation and need to read up on a great deal more before I make a dedicated answer. Right now I'm clearly in the undecided category, with a slight lean to "yes". I supported Afghanistan. I was undecided though leaning towards supporting going into Iraq though not for the same order of importance in regards to the reasons Bush gave and despite thinking it was handled horrendously.
    You down with TPP?

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    All the world needs is some backward arse mullah wrapped up in a comforter with his baby blanket wrapped around his head to be at the control of some nuclear device.

    You think they were having fun playing polo with a human head in a sack? You ain't seen nothin' yet!

    Simply put, the Taliban has got to go. There is no place for their ideology in a civilized world. They are too dangerous to tolerate.

    But it shouldn't be the US's job alone to eradicate their existance. It is the duty of the civilized world.

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    For myself, I'd be leaning towards yes. I'd prefer Pakistani support for this to happen though and would be requiring a great deal of intelligence data to do it without their consent
    I'm leaning towards yes too. I'm wondering about covert black operations as well.
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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    I said no, but I didn't see a choice I really liked. I feel as though we should continue to ask Pakistan to allow us to handle the Taliban within their border. If we pressure them for a while and they still refuse, then I think we should go for it.
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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    The only way attacking inside Pakistan works out well is if the Pakistani government is leading the way.

    If Pakistan is not on board with the incursion, if they oppose or even fail to endorse the incursion, then the incursion has the double damnation of alienating a necessary ally against the Taliban and weakening the government vis-a-vis the Taliban.

    The Pakistani government would not survive long after the incursion, regardless of the outcome. The only real question is which group would stage the successful coup.

    As they are still an ally of the US, it behooves us to respect their sovereignty.

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    I say yes and my reasons stem from a while back when the Taliban stated that it would blow up a grade school if they kept teaching little girls. There is no way that a group like this can be allowed to go nuclear or even remain unchecked in their power grabs in Pakistan.

    I think we should seek Pakistan's endorsement but with or without it we should strike the Taliban, driving them first out of the Swat Valley.

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    At the present time, absolutely not. The benefit of killing a few Taliban commanders and grunts is nowhere close to the cost of destabilizing nuclear-armed Pakistan.

    I don't think most people realize how close Pakistan is to total collapse. The Taliban is about 65 miles outside of Islamabad and getting closer. The United States should do everything it can to prevent a collapse. Anything that further radicalizes the population and destabilizes the country should be scrupulously avoided at this time.

    With that said, I think Pakistan probably WILL completely collapse in a matter of weeks or months. When it does, I think the US military should bomb the **** out of every known Taliban stronghold along the Afghan border...and I hope the US military has a damn good contingency plan for a full-blown invasion as well.
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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    At the present time, absolutely not. The benefit of killing a few Taliban commanders and grunts is nowhere close to the cost of destabilizing nuclear-armed Pakistan.

    I don't think most people realize how close Pakistan is to total collapse. The Taliban is about 65 miles outside of Islamabad and getting closer. The United States should do everything it can to prevent a collapse. Anything that further radicalizes the population and destabilizes the country should be scrupulously avoided at this time.

    With that said, I think Pakistan probably WILL completely collapse in a matter of weeks or months. When it does, I think the US military should bomb the **** out of every known Taliban stronghold along the Afghan border...and I hope the US military has a damn good contingency plan for a full-blown invasion as well.
    I've often thought that some kind of collapse might actually be useful, because it would the government to take full action in one swift blow.

    I don't think that Pakistan is just a place where a local populace is being radicalized, I think it's also a place where significant Al Qaeda members from around the globe are able to take refuge.

    Now, I'm treading closely to Bush "all those who harbor terrorists" rhetoric, but I think there's a certain utility in the idea. It's not just about serving potential terrorist harboring countries a threat, it's about allowing yourself to take advantage of concentrations of terrorists. A Taliban government in Pakistan would mean for a real target to bomb.

    I think the US has proved that it's pretty good at destroying nations, it's just poor at fighting insurgencies.

    So what would a Taliban government in Pakistan pose to use other then an easy target? It'd make them come out hills and out into the open, where we can bomb them.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    First let me say I support our troops.

    My second thought is that Osama paid the Taliban to train fighters their,because he was a black sheep to the Saudi's, and they, the Saudi's just gave him money,and told him to go somewhere else,you're making us look bad to the U.S.
    The U.S. keeps the Saudi government propped up and in power,which Osama hates.
    Afghanistan doesn't have a lot going for it so they took Osama's money to let him train troops there.And it's not like we haven't trained death squads for other country's.Personally, I would have stayed out of Afghanistan and done black op's with special forces and gotten Osama there.All we have done is moved the Taliban out of their country,and into a problem country with nukes,that is destabilized.

    My other thought is we should of taken over Saudi Arabia and all of their oil and assets,for 9/11.

    Iran, I think their was something deeper going on there,than what Bush was saying,like we backed Saddam for a while till he turned out to be a wild card like Noriega,and remember what happened to his country, Bush Sr.started all that off in both country's.I think they both tried blackmailing Bush Sr.

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