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Thread: Attack within Pakistan

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    I voted yes i supported both wars and now support to take out the Talaban in Packastan. the war in Afganastan was nessasary due the Talaban suport of Al-Queda. Iraq in big part due to the bumbling of Bush Senior. And we really need to take out the Talaban.

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    government wise, The Taliban is who I hold responsable for 9/11 and it appears they've not truly been "beaten" but relocated.
    You should remember the Taliban is a very loose term these days. Only something like 20-40% of those labeled Taliban by the media should actually be considered such. The others have their relations to that organisation certainly but often these aren't even too strong and they are far from the same organisation.
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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    I would support an attack if it gained UN approval, otherwise any such attack would appear to be more American imperialism and/or the U.S. simply cleaning up the mess of a former ally. Removing the Taliban from Pakistan must have international precedent otherwise it won't have lasting effects.

    Besides, the U.S. budget is stretched thin as it is.

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I remember during the debates, when Obama was asked about crossing the border into Pakistan to fight the Taliban, and I was suprised that he essentially answered yes, in an unequivocal manner. I supported both Iraq and Afghanistan, and would support this as well so long as it gets carried out properly. Just lobbing some bombs and doing some flyover airstrikes isn't going to be enough. It will take a serious concentrated effort, with boots on the ground, to make any progress against the Taliban and retain or create any stability for Pakistan.

    It would help, if the international community had the stones to contribute some boots for the cause, but I seriously doubt both their capabilites and their desire at this point.
    Unfortunately ... most of the EU has no balls. The British do but I doubt their going to contribute anymore than they already have to the cause in that part of the world!

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    If you follow a particular decrepit road that runs past Islamabad airport, you will eventually come to a guardhouse. Beyond lies the Chakala Cantonment which was established by the colonial Brits as a military base. Located in one of the motel-like single story buildings inside is the Office for Strategic Plans. The United States initially funded this project to the tune of $100 million dollars. The OSP has custodianship of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. It is responsible for tracking, securing, and safeguarding Pakistan's nuclear warheads. Khalid Kidwai heads the OSP which also keeps track of the 70,000 Pakistanis involved in the nuclear complex.

    Pakistan refuses to divulge how many warheads are available, and the storage locations. Kidwai infers that the warheads are safe but disbursed. He also maintains that the warheads are secured with PALs (permissive action links) much like US nuclear warheads. With the PAL system, a code must be entered to activate the weapon. You are only allowed x number of tries to enter the correct code. One failed attempt too many and the warhead will explode (internal conventional explosives) like an IED.

    In short, the US has no idea where Pakistan's nukes are located. The only chance to avert disaster would be to raid the OSP and remove everything to a safe location for analysis. But I highly suspect the Pakistanis have already considered this possibility and have set in place preemptive safeguards.

    When Islamabad falls, the race to capture Chakala and its secrets intact will be on.

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post

    People drawing parallels between the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war are unbelievably naive.
    How about people that support both, but for different reasons?
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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    If you follow a particular decrepit road that runs past Islamabad airport, you will eventually come to a guardhouse. Beyond lies the Chakala Cantonment which was established by the colonial Brits as a military base. Located in one of the motel-like single story buildings inside is the Office for Strategic Plans. The United States initially funded this project to the tune of $100 million dollars. The OSP has custodianship of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. It is responsible for tracking, securing, and safeguarding Pakistan's nuclear warheads. Khalid Kidwai heads the OSP which also keeps track of the 70,000 Pakistanis involved in the nuclear complex.

    Pakistan refuses to divulge how many warheads are available, and the storage locations. Kidwai infers that the warheads are safe but disbursed. He also maintains that the warheads are secured with PALs (permissive action links) much like US nuclear warheads. With the PAL system, a code must be entered to activate the weapon. You are only allowed x number of tries to enter the correct code. One failed attempt too many and the warhead will explode (internal conventional explosives) like an IED.

    In short, the US has no idea where Pakistan's nukes are located. The only chance to avert disaster would be to raid the OSP and remove everything to a safe location for analysis. But I highly suspect the Pakistanis have already considered this possibility and have set in place preemptive safeguards.

    When Islamabad falls, the race to capture Chakala and its secrets intact will be on.
    I hope for the sake of the entire free world --- this never happens.

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Unfortunately ... most of the EU has no balls. The British do but I doubt their going to contribute anymore than they already have to the cause in that part of the world!
    The US Army got its ass handled by guerilleros in Viet-Nam, is going to retreat from Iraq and is not winning in Afghanistan, even with hundreds of billions of dollars being spent.

    Why do you think it would work in Pakistan? Why do you think it would not be a quagmire?

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I hope for the sake of the entire free world --- this never happens.
    It most likely will happen...and not in the distant future, but in the next few weeks or months. Diplomats from both Pakistan and India are already making fatalistic comparisons to the Cold War ("It ended when one of the powers collapsed and ceased to exist.")

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    Re: Attack within Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The British do but I doubt their going to contribute anymore than they already have to the cause in that part of the world!
    The British people did not want to get involved in idiocy like Iraq. That was Blair's doing.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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